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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby rtreads » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:12 am

I would have to assume that it is on the comression stroke. The balancer reads 0*, the #1 piston is all the way up, and the distrubitor is pointing at the #1 wire.

If it was 180* out, it wouldn't run at all.
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby cobshane » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:20 am

You are #1 on compression stroke, right.
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby cobshane » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:26 am

rtreads wrote:I would have to assume that it is on the comression stroke. The balancer reads 0*, the #1 piston is all the way up, and the distrubitor is pointing at the #1 wire.

If it was 180* out, it wouldn't run at all.

Just saw that never mind
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby BFD305 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:56 am

Just throwing some basics out there that got me beings i had not always worked on Fords. Double check the distributor firing order is set up counter clockwise and that the right and left banks are not odd and even but 1 - 4 and 5 - 6. Just some things to check.

After looking at the video a bunch it looks like all this is correct.......Have you checked spark on each wire and plug?
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby rtreads » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:52 am

My firing order is 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8.

I have been over it about 8 times... but I am going to look it over again tonight and make sure there is a positive connection at each plug,
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby Shawns Fords » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:19 am

make sure you OHM out each wire and that none of your plugs got cracked/broken when going back together. If your ignition checks out all good I would do a compression test on all 8 cylinders.
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby Viperwolf1 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:32 pm

What's the word Ryan?
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby akaFrankCastle » Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:57 pm

My guess is still in the garage, burning the midnight oil and trying desperately to make it to breakfast tomorrow. Wishin him luck.
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby BFD305 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:58 pm

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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby rtreads » Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:15 am

Well by now you are all enjoying a nice breakfast and looking at a BUNCH of really cool broncos.... maybe next time for me.

I will do the KOER test today. Then switch back to the 19# injectors to see if that helps.
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby Moab Mike » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:20 am

rtreads wrote:Well by now you are all enjoying a nice breakfast and looking at a BUNCH of really cool broncos.... maybe next time for me.

I will do the KOER test today. Then switch back to the 19# injectors to see if that helps.


I feel your pain Ryan, I am stuck at work and know everyone else is having a blast stuffin' their faces and looking at Bronco's.
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby Viperwolf1 » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:08 am

Ryan,
Give me a ring if you need me to come over and take a look at it.
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby Viperwolf1 » Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:24 pm

I went over and took a look at Ryan's engine. We found the source of the problem. Something I never saw before. Kind of like a combination exhaust and vacuum leak. Hopefully he'll post some pics.
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby ZOSO » Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:29 pm

Glad to hear you guys figured it out.
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby crawlercreations » Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:56 pm

Viperwolf1 wrote:I went over and took a look at Ryan's engine. We found the source of the problem. Something I never saw before. Kind of like a combination exhaust and vacuum leak. Hopefully he'll post some pics.


Wrong or blown gasket between upper and lower intake? Between the EGR port and intake port? Glad it is figured out!
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby Viperwolf1 » Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:08 pm

EGR hole at the bottom of the upper was cast all the way through to the intake plenum, not just into the EGR passage to the throttle body flange. Kind of like a 20mm vacuum leak and exhaust leak.
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby 777mechanic » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:04 pm

i told phil that was the problem and he steals all my thunder , hahahaha
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby Entourage » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:25 pm

Nice job getting it diagnosed and fixed. It is nice to have that many EFI Experts in the club. Congrats and a nice way to end the weekend!
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby BFD305 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:28 pm

Was it fixable, or will he need a new intake?
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby 777mechanic » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:34 pm

phil said he just needs to tap and plug the hole in the intake and all should be good.
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby cobshane » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:15 pm

Anyone else ever run into this problem. Was the egr deleted, or stuck open? Let's see pics.
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby akaFrankCastle » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:16 pm

Those aluminum termites get in to the darnedest places.
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby Viperwolf1 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:53 pm

coberlyshane wrote:Anyone else ever run into this problem. Was the egr deleted, or stuck open? Let's see pics.


I've never even heard of anything like this. The upper intake was just plain made with a big gaping hole in the bottom of the plenum, straight up through the EGR passage. It looks like it can be sealed up with a pipe plug but EGR wouldn't be useable on it.
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby rtreads » Tue Apr 19, 2011 7:09 am

So I am finally getting pics postes of the problem.

When I bought this intake, my brother and I looked it over saying; wow, its made much better than we had expected. We both expected needing gasket matching and various other things to clean it up. Well, it was clean enough. Though it did have a hole above the exhaust port for the EGR gasses. We were like, that doesn't look right, but its a cast hole and must be there intentionally. NOT the case. I just happened to be talking about weird issues while Phil was doing a compression test to make sure it wasn't a stuch exhaust valve (THANK YOU PHIL!!!). I had mentioned the hole, and he just stoped and looked at me with a really weird look on his face. We pulled the intake piping, and opened the TB and I showed him. He started laughing and couldn't believe what he was seeing. So turns out there was NOT suppesed to be a hole thru the 2nd wall of the intake into the main runner. I had to buy a 1/2" Pipe tap to get a plug big enough to plug it. Its all done now and RUNS.

Thanks for all of your help!

And THANK YOU PHIL!!!
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby Jesus_man » Tue Apr 19, 2011 7:47 am

New video, new video, new video...
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby cobshane » Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:08 am

Jesus_man wrote:New video, new video, new video...


Yeah let's hear pprrrrrr!
that is so weird they would make it like that.
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby rtreads » Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:38 am

...your telling me? Hey its CHINA!!
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby Viperwolf1 » Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:32 am

That plug fits nicely. I've searched the web for similar problems with that intake but couldn't find anything. Maybe it's one of a kind.
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby Jesus_man » Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:36 am

Viperwolf1 wrote:That plug fits nicely. I've searched the web for similar problems with that intake but couldn't find anything. Maybe it's one of a kind.


Nice work finding the problem. Most of us wouldn't have noticed an extra hole in there.

Maybe the chinaman making that part dropped his eggroll in the mold that day.
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.

Postby Viperwolf1 » Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:40 am

Jesus_man wrote:
Viperwolf1 wrote:Maybe the chinaman making that part dropped his eggroll in the mold that day.


That's as good an explanation as I could come up with.
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