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Kinder
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
Jealous of the 1350, I'll be going there or 1410 on my next driveshaft.
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landshark
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
Have everything ready to go to pull the trans and TC however after taking a look I think I will just drop the exhaust to get it out of the way.. anyway quit for the night it was getting cold out there. Old stuff coming out.. nothing exciting... ahhh so much better... Picked up some retractable 3 point Hummer seatbelts... going to make this thing a bit more street friendly and remove the two elbow hoops behind the seats and replace it with a removable bar in case I want to put the harnesses back in one day.. anyway hope to have everything out tomorrow!
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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landshark
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
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Jesus_man
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Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:36 am Posts: 5984 Location: California
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
A flange at the input of the ZF? That seems odd. Maybe it's a big block thing?
BTW, when it's time to look at the Atlas, I ended having to add a 3/4" spacer to keep the output shaft from bottoming out on the input collar of the Atlas.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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landshark
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
I had that flange / spacer made to push the flywheel back toward the transmission and allow better clutch / spline engagement. The big block zf's input shaft is a bit longer so you have to add a spacer or do something else. Look earlier in the thread I explain :)
i will take some pics along the way as nobody whos done this conversion has actually taken any pictures of the process...
I heard you have to add a spacer to the zf... i will cross the bridge when it comes.
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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landshark
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ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
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landshark
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
Slowly but surely.... got the flywheel chamfered today to match the spacer so they sit flush and after work I installed the flywheel and spacer with the special flywheel bolts I picked up... still pretty clean back here... metal plate thingy installed :) had to grind a little off by the frame, probably have to do the same to the bellhousing on the zf.. we will see.... spacer on the crank... and the flywheel torqued and installed thats about as far as I got tonight, tomorrow I need to unscrew the stud from the exhaust manifold and then probably try to stab the zf in there to see what happens and take the grinder to the bits I need to relieve on the bellhousing.
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Jesus_man
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
Great progress! You ready to muscle that in there?? It should be fun!
Did you pb blaster that screw on you header?
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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landshark
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
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landshark
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
so not too much done today, more running around picking up a few things i needed. Found a clutch centering tool thought it would be good to have as I was having quite a bit trouble centering the zf, but turns out it was probably not the case. Pulled everything apart again, measured the run out and was no more than .055 so it looks good. I wrestled with the zf for a while and realized the throwout bearing center housing was hitting the fingers on the centerforce clutch. Tomorrow I will take the clutch off once again and grind the fingers down 1/8th of an inch and try again. You can see where the fingers are hitting in the pics.
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Task Force Bronco
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
Are you going to reuse the old cross member or are you going to make a new one?
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Rox Crusher
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
That explains what I thought I was seeing last night.
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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landshark
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
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landshark
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ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Justin
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
This site needs a like button. Curious to hear your thoughts when its up and running.
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Jesus_man
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
I am sure you were making vroom vroom noises from the seat and bangin' gears after you got it in. I know you'll love it!
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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landshark
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
Finally got some me time today and worked on the swap a bit more. Justin was kind enough to lend me his time and press to get the spud shaft and bearing into the adapter housing. Took me a few tries to get the adapter ring lined up but went together really nicely. Then tried to install the twin sticks however the JB fab sticks will not work with this setup, going to drop Jon a line and see what we can work out as I might have to make something custom or go with cable shifters... next up is the cross member. Talked to Justin about it for a while sound like a decent piece of DOM and a Poly bushing might be in my future... anyway here are some pics.. Dana 20 ready for the spud housing Adapter ring Adapter ring installed on the Dana20 and some white lithium grease for good measure. I know its really hard to see however the big block zf is quite a but shorter than its small block counter part. These two extensions are right in the way of the shifter mount on the housing ring. Both of those extensions have bolts in them that easily come out so not sure what they are for? Might be able to fab something up mounted to them but not sure as its pretty vertical to the shift rails... this is looking up from the bottom of the trans This is pretty much straight up from the shift forks on the D20 they come out... I know this is really hard to see but the silver thing is the adapter in between the zf and dana20.. Took some driveline measurements Rear driveshaft will need to be 30.75" (Originally about 35") Front driveshaft will need to be 26.25" (Originally about 24") Who knows how i measured before but its not too far off ;)
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Jesus_man
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
Great work Chris! My Zf also has those threaded bungs. I tied my Atlas shifter to it for stability and it helped a lot. I don't have a picture and it might not help anyway.
But I am pleased with how my cross member came out. It's flush with the bottom of the frame:
A lot of them hang down too much and since this is your wheeling rig, I would think you'd want to avoid anchors.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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landshark
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
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landshark
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
I have been told i can chop those bosses off and grind it down as they are for a TC mount... so that i will
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Viperwolf1
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
Looks like a safe bet. Those threads are way too coarse for any kind of fluid fitting.
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Rox Crusher
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
New drive lines being built ?
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landshark
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
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Rox Crusher
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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landshark
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
No hold outs. Will get back to it this week. I'm figuring out the cross member and d20 twin sticks still.
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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landshark
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
So just a quick update, I pulled the Dana20 rear yoke and tried to install the Flange but looks like I will need a new seal to go around the Flange as the old one is just slightly too small to do a proper job of sealing... I will have to shop around to see if I can find a new one or order one online.
Measured the rear driveline - 32" so will be ordering my new 1350 driveshaft tomorrow from FrontRange..
I might try to clock the Dana 20 up a couple of holes on the spacer so the front yoke is higher and it should make it slightly easier to build a crossmember.. I might need some extra eyes on the problem if I can thaw out.. brrrrrrr
I still haven't cut the mounts off the zf.. i will be doing that tomorrow
And I guess the last thing to report is I will be headed over to steel yard tomorrow or friday to pick up some plate and something to build the crossbar with, thinking of using DOM but not sure I can get any that is already cut - guess i will find out!
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Justin
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
If you strike out on cut DOM I may have some extra.
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landshark
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
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Kinder
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
When you clock the D20 be extra vigilant on interference issues, not only will the front driveshaft exit the space higher but when the driver side front is stuffed the whole line will change.
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landshark
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Re: ZF-5 Behind a 400 M block swap - in an Early Bronco
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