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Track Bar Repair. I need your advice. (Fixed with Pictures)
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Zenzone
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Track Bar Repair. I need your advice. (Fixed with Pictures)
So I was under my truck doing a routine check of things so they don't become problems down the road. I noticed that my track bar bushing was loose on the upper end. I thought it just needed a new bushing but once I got it apart I noticed it was reshaped in an easter egg shape. (see pic below) The track bar is an old K Bar S product, they are long out of business. So my question is how do i go about making this repair? I want to switch the adjustable end to a rod end set up, is this possible? What does it entail if I swich from a bushing end to a rod end? Is it a good Idea? If it is then do you know any offroad store i can pick one up that will screw right back in?
Thanks, Hoping to get this fix done this week so I can get the truck back on the road for the weekend, I may try to do another trip next weekend.
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_________________ 1976 Ranger Ford Bronco, 33's, 4 inch lift, Holly truck avenger 4 barrel 302, Sidewinder winch, on board air, amplified sound system, duel battery, CB radio,
Real Estate Agent at Lorin Properties Inc. Zen@LorinProperties.com (303) 653-1541
Last edited by Zenzone on Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:19 pm |
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airbur
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Re: Track Bar Repair. I need your advice.
I'm sure it's possible but personally I would go with one of the newer adjustable track bars. They are much beefier and should bolt right in. Granted, these don't have rod ends but I believe bushings are better for his application. Just my opinion.
_________________ Sold: 1970 w/427W Injected Stroker
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:29 pm |
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Zenzone
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Re: Track Bar Repair. I need your advice.
I was just thinking as to why it would have pulled so hard to oval out that end and I was thinking maybe its because the angles in my track bar and steering are off. So I went and took some pictures with track bar just mocked in, not bolted.
Thanks Airbur maybe bushing are better, I have no clue. I'm trying to fix this without spending a bunch, not enough money at the moment to buy new. I have a couple other things to spend money on this month like a battery and carb parts. I am thinking about buying some thicker tube and cutting off the old end and welding on the thinker tube in the same diameter. Im still open to opinions.
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_________________ 1976 Ranger Ford Bronco, 33's, 4 inch lift, Holly truck avenger 4 barrel 302, Sidewinder winch, on board air, amplified sound system, duel battery, CB radio,
Real Estate Agent at Lorin Properties Inc. Zen@LorinProperties.com (303) 653-1541
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:01 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Track Bar Repair. I need your advice.
Geometry looks off to me. Obviously you are running a lift. Do you have a drop bracket or riser on there?
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:19 pm |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Track Bar Repair. I need your advice.
I had to lengthen my track bar for the full width axles I installed. I cut off the frame end of the track bar, ground the bar down till it fit inside 1.5" OD x 1" ID DOM. Welded in a tube adapter & used a 3/4" heim joint. I used a 9/16" misalignment, but some years use a bigger bolt, so check before ordering. Ruffstuffspecialties.com can get you all that stuff & they can mill the misalignment to fit your frame bracket, if you measure it before you order. ground track bar.JPG finished track bar.JPG
Chad
edit: Ooops I didn't notice your bar was already threaded. The rod end I got did not have enough threads to reach. You'd have to find a 3/4" heim joint with the right thread pitch as your trackbar.
BC Broncos sells an adjustable trackbar w/the bushing @ the axle & a heim @ the frame.
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_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:39 pm |
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Zenzone
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Re: Track Bar Repair. I need your advice.
_________________ 1976 Ranger Ford Bronco, 33's, 4 inch lift, Holly truck avenger 4 barrel 302, Sidewinder winch, on board air, amplified sound system, duel battery, CB radio,
Real Estate Agent at Lorin Properties Inc. Zen@LorinProperties.com (303) 653-1541
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:17 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Track Bar Repair. I need your advice.
6 years at that angle was probably enough to round out that end. Before installing a new bar, I would throw in a drop or riser. Riser being the preferred.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:29 pm |
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Zenzone
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Re: Track Bar Repair. I need your advice.
_________________ 1976 Ranger Ford Bronco, 33's, 4 inch lift, Holly truck avenger 4 barrel 302, Sidewinder winch, on board air, amplified sound system, duel battery, CB radio,
Real Estate Agent at Lorin Properties Inc. Zen@LorinProperties.com (303) 653-1541
Last edited by Zenzone on Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:21 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:43 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Track Bar Repair. I need your advice.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:51 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:36 am Posts: 5984 Location: California
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Re: Track Bar Repair. I need your advice.
I think the egg-shaped end is more due to poor quality parts than incorrect angles. As akaFrank eluded to, the reason you want your track bar and drag link in at the same angle is that when you hit a bump, your axle rises and transfers force to the frame via the track bar. If both links are in the same plane, the track bar takes all the load. If they are not, it will transfer some of that force to the drag link and create bump-steer. If you've been running this for 6 years and it's been fine, the cheapest thing to do is fix that end you have. Find a weldable bushing that has the same bolt size that is in your frame bracket and make sure it will fit between that bracket. You can cut the outside and inside sleeve down to fit your needs. http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/Syn ... 16605.htmlBuy yourself a small piece of DOM http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/DOM ... c-867.htmland a tube adapter with the same threads you have now: http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/Syn ... p-349.htmlWeld it all together. That will work for now. Then you can do the riser when you have the money. DO NOT waste your time on a drop bracket off the frame. On a rig that see some wheeling, that will fail catastrophically. And with the adjust-ability, you won't have to re-do anything on the track bar to make it fit a riser bracket. Oh and Yes, for this application, I recommend a bushing over a rod end. There is no benefit to a rod end here and all it will do is transfer more road noise and bumps to the frame. J.D.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:41 am |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Track Bar Repair. I need your advice.
I'm VERY, VERY, happy with the ride on my truck now. I can't speak to just the track bar, because I made so many changes during the swap to full width. I haven't got the truck in the rocks yet, but on the highway & around town, I've got no complaints. I guess if you used 2 rod ends it could get rough. But I love the way my truck is driving now, except the brakes.
Chad
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:36 pm |
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hockeydad4-22
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Joined: Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:11 pm Posts: 2378 Location: Highlands Ranch Colorado
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Re: Track Bar Repair. I need your advice.
You want my advice - which ever dirrection you go - riser or lowering bracket - do it heavy duty - then overkill it. If you wonder why - just look for the thread on the frame repairs we did last winter.... The factory track bar bracket is just not enough. Once repaired, gusseted and reinforced - we built a new - much heavier duty drop bracket. You have seen how much abuse it can take now with no new damage...
Give those boys some more time though - they will probably break it again...
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Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:47 pm |
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Zenzone
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Re: Track Bar Repair. I need your advice.
Thanks guys. I am going to take a look at my options and see what works out. I did like zillacon said and rounded it out again and now I am going to reinforce it so it wont deform again. I will run it the way it was, till I can build a riser bracket for it. It drives so straight and smooth I would venture to say its the straightest drive of our five cars. No bump steer at all.
I really appreciate all the comments. Thanks for explaining to me why the steering has egged out the hole. I will post up how it works out.
_________________ 1976 Ranger Ford Bronco, 33's, 4 inch lift, Holly truck avenger 4 barrel 302, Sidewinder winch, on board air, amplified sound system, duel battery, CB radio,
Real Estate Agent at Lorin Properties Inc. Zen@LorinProperties.com (303) 653-1541
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Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:15 pm |
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Zenzone
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Re: Track Bar Repair. I need your advice.
_________________ 1976 Ranger Ford Bronco, 33's, 4 inch lift, Holly truck avenger 4 barrel 302, Sidewinder winch, on board air, amplified sound system, duel battery, CB radio,
Real Estate Agent at Lorin Properties Inc. Zen@LorinProperties.com (303) 653-1541
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Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:12 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Track Bar Repair. I need your advice. (Fixed with Pictur
That ought to hold!
J.D.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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