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Justin
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Cam question
Would a cam from a 94-95 5.0 have the correct firing order for an EFI swapped 302? I may have a line on a cheap one. Any issues with dropping it into my existing 302?
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:48 am |
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akaFrankCastle
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Cam question
Every 302/5.0 has the same firing order with the exception of the 5.0HO, which shares the 351W firing order.
289 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 302 (Pre-82) 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 5.0 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 5.0 HO 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8 5.0 Truck 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 351 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:51 am |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Cam question
Also, a 94-95 motor will likely be a roller block. You'll need to retrofit for new lifters and swap out your distributor gear for a steel gear from the cast piece.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:58 am |
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Justin
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Re: Cam question
Hmmm. My recollection is that converting to EFI on a 302 usually changed the firing order, which could lead to an occasional misfire unless the cam is changed. Now that I'm thinking about it, the usual A9P computer would be a HO application. So then I could use the Explorer stuff without changing the cam, correct?
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:58 am |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Cam question
From the interwebs.
"There are three kinds of 302s made from 1982-2001.
5.0L HO This engine was used in 1983-1995 Mustangs, Mark VII Lincolns, and some T-birds and Cougars. All Explorer 5.0L engines are 5.0L HO engines as well. They use the 351W firing order, 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8. Except for the 1983-84 Mustangs, all of these engines are roller cam equipped. They use a reverse rotation water pump and front cover. The 1994-5 Mustang and all Explorers use a unique front cover and water pump. 5.0L Full Size Car This engine was used in 1982-1990 Crown Victoria and Grand Marquis. They use the 289-302 firing order, 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8. Most of these cars are not roller cam equipped, however sometime in the early 1990s they started using roller cams but retained the 302 firing order. They use a standard (clockwise) rotation water pump and front cover. 5.0L Truck (except Explorer) These engines are similar to the Full Size Car engines, except they use different intake manifolds and camshaft profiles. They also use the 289-302 firing order, 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8. They also began using roller cams sometime in the early 1990s. They use a reverse rotation water pump and front cover."
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:31 am |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Cam question
I suppose the first reply I posted simply should have asked "94-95 5.0 from what application?"
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:33 am |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Cam question
I'm running my old 302 cam shaft with a Mustang ECU. Yes the injectors fire in the 5.0HO/351 order, but it boils down to milliseconds(?) of difference when the engine is at RPM. I can't say I've ever felt my motor stumble, misfire, or anything abnormal. Starts, first time, every time, at -35* sitting outside with only a block heater.
I say don't worry about it.
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:54 am |
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Justin
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Re: Cam question
Truck, I think, based on the ad. Thanks, the info was perfect! Gunni, I hadn't planned to swap my cam, but this was cheap and I may swap in my GT40 heads at the same time, so a cam swap would be easy.
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:57 am |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Cam question
Gary can reprogram an Explorer ECU to match your injector firing order to match the cam, or you can get a cheap chip for a Mustang ECU to match firing order.
If you are using a dizzy/Mustang ECU you'll keep the firing order the same. Only the injector firing order "changes".
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:57 am |
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crawlercreations
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Re: Cam question
_________________ There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness"
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:23 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Cam question
Is that a 94-95 mustang cam? I'm looking for one to go into the 351w.
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:33 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Cam question
No, I'm 95% sure it's a truck cam. I'll double check.
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:43 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Cam question
Yup, it's from a 302 out of a F-150, so not helpful for either of us. Jason, thanks for the FYI. I confirmed the casting numbers of my GT40 and did some reading. It looks like they're in the 63-66cc range, but what I don't know is what I have now. The PO swapped a long block into my truck, so short of pulling the heads I'm not going to know if it's an upgrade or not. I need to pull my starter anyway, so I'm hoping to get a rough idea of what I've got when I can check the casting number on the block.
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:01 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Cam question
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:41 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Cam question
The GT40 heads are F3ZE-AA. I didn't see a casting date, but I'm not sure where it'd be.
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:53 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Cam question
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:57 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Cam question
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:02 am |
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akaFrankCastle
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Cam question
F3ZE-AA are rumored to be the same 60-63cc combustion chamber size as the 93 Cobra heads and were only found on 96 to very early 97 Exploders. After which, they changed to the F4ZE-AA head with slightly larger chambers.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:08 am |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Cam question
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:10 am |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Cam question
I thought those were Ps. I'll have a look this morning perhaps.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:11 am |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Cam question
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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