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Viperwolf1
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
First thing I'd do is swap it to the other side. Then pull a tube and cap from a wrecking yard motor. There might be an easy way to make that fit.
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Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:54 pm |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
I think I have an extra explorer oil filler neck laying around.
The tube on that cover is galvanized steel. It can be welded if one doesn't breathe the toxic fumes while doing so.
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:41 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
You can also grind off the galvanizing, although you'd have to get really creative to get it off the inside.
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Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:29 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
. Much better. Thanks Phil. Jeff- if you have one and can find it- please let me know. I'd like to get it solved asap. Thanks.
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:28 pm |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
Couldn't find it. I might have already handed it off to one of the local hoarders
They are a dime a dozen at the PnP
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:16 pm |
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EFI Guy
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
I would flip the valve covers back to where you had them. Knock the ball out of the PCV valve that is in your valve cover and route a hose from it to the line on your throttle body. You can use that for the fresh air side of the PCV system. I would also rotate the throttle body 90* clockwise for hood clearance. On the other side I would just cut that filler neck down to 1/4-1/2 inch or so and use a low profile, non vented, push-in oil cap. Something like this:
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Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:02 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
So a push on oil cap is fine as long as it's non vented?
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:58 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
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Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:15 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
I finally found a pump that would work. Just for anyone looking to use this bracket and not use the Wild Horses pump ($180) - this came from a 77-79 Chevy 1/2 ton pickup. The mounting studs and location of the return line were the difficult things to match up. I've now got everything for the serpentine swap fitting. Still need to get hoses, but have that figured out. I will probably add some metal to the fan shroud but will have to wait until it's installed to figure out how much I'll need. Still need to get the oil cap/valve cover figured out. I'll probably order a couple this week from Summit to see that I can get one that fits. Quick question with the fuel rail. I was assuming I wouldn't need to modify the fuel rail because it was the same type of intake. However- it looks like I'll have to increase the width with fuel injection hose? It's a lightning lower.
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:08 pm |
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landshark
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
Holy cow that steering pump is hanging off the end there.. are you sure that will clear the steering box hoses and fender once installed? Maybe its the photo making it look extra wide but it looks like the pump is in out there in Kansas...
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:16 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
Yah-- I think it looks lonely out there cuz of the angle and the other stuff is not installed. Here is the picture from he WH website of everything installed...
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_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:30 pm |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
If the fuel rails came from an explorer you will indeed need to widen them to fit the lightening lower
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:51 pm |
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Kinder
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
351s are wider than 302/5.0s so you'll need to lengthen the hose between the rails.
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Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:53 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
Ok- that's what I thought when I laid it up there. Thanks for the confirmation guys.
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:55 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
So I am going to need to make my own PS lines. I am wondering if someone can explain to me the parts I will need to purchase. I have seen PS line kits on JEGS for like $200. That seems high to me?
Here are the specs from my pump:
Part Number: PS 381240
Product Line: Premium NAPA Steering
Attributes: Hose Port Type : Seat Fitting
P/S Pump Line Thread Size : 5/8-18
P/S Pump Shaft Type : Press-On
So can someone help me understand what it takes to build the lines. I am assuming the pump end will need a 90 degree fitting with a 5/8-18 thread. I have a stock PS gear-- anyone know what fitting size that is?
Is the other line a low pressure return line? What type of hose does that take?
Thanks-- I couldn't seem to find too much on the interweb on how to make your own-- everything was on how to replace specific types...
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:37 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
You'll need a high pressure hose and a low pressure hose. The low pressure one is easy. You can get the rubber hose from the parts store along with the needed adapter for your power steering box. For the high pressure hose you can take both the pump and box into a place like the Parker store and they can make you one, or you can make your own out of high pressure hose, 2 AN or JIC fittings, and 2 adapters (one for the box and one for the pump). I went the self-build route and it was fairly easy. Cost is a little more. Or you could just buy this: http://www.bcbroncos.com/store/product_ ... cts_id=251And this: http://www.bcbroncos.com/store/product_ ... ts_id=1644The latter is overpriced, but easy.
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Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:59 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
Ok, it's not exactly clicking. I guess cuz I haven't ever used AN fittings. So there are thousands of fittings, adapters, and hose size.
Is there a particular size AN hose is preferred for the PS? What type of fitting is used? There are so many: male to female, AN to NPT.
Thanks in advance for helping my ignorance on this subject.
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Tue Nov 04, 2014 9:55 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
I think I used 6AN for my stuff. The number preceding the AN is the measurement in 16ths of an inch, i.e. 6AN=6/16=3/8 hose. I used 90 degree fittings. The adapters will be 6AN to whatever size fitting your power steering pump and box use. I took my box, hydroboost and pump down to Emrick and Hill and let them get me set up. They're kind of expensive, but had everything I needed in stock. You could just get the adapters there and save a few bucks, otherwise Google is your friend. If you get the parts I can come over and show you how to put them together. It's easy and we can probably assemble the hose in about 15 minutes. If it helps you're welcome to take a look at how my stuff is set up.
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Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:08 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
Anyone know a lower radiator hose solution for the Explorer water pump to a stock radiator? I have seen some people mention the lower hose off of a 2002 Super Duty but that doesn't exactly look right and it costs $96. I have also seen a couple people use just a steel flex hose.
Ideas?
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:23 pm |
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TOOLMAN
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
BC Broncos has a setup for that:
_________________ Wilma - 71 1/2 Wagon; 3 1/2" WH lift, 1" BL, NP435, Chebby disc front, WH twin stick D20, EFI 302, Cool hood scoop, mucho cancer; purchased in 1990.
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Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:28 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:32 pm |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
I can't recall whose steel crossover tube I nought, nor the hoses on each end.
I think I just bought a hose from parts store that had bends on each end and then cut it in half.
We can look at it on Saturday.
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:20 pm |
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casadejohnson
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
I should really be checking this more often. My pump had no real issues bolting to the Wild Horses bracket. I found several pumps in the GM line that have returns that come up the side of the pump reservoir so that is what I used. In the interest of making it all a little cleaner, I recently grabbed another saginaw pump reservoir and plan to weld in my own AN fittings so I can run PTFE hose for the returns. Over kill? Probably, but I don't care I just want it to be neat and tidy. As for the pump hanging out, Its going to fit just fine, Mine fit without issue.
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Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:33 am |
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Unaweep
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
This is a great thread. Are you going to install the engine yourself?
I'd like to help lend a hand if you do as I need to learn for my 351w.
J.E.
_________________ 1969 Ford Bronco with: 351W, Q-Jet, ARB front locker, 3" Suspension lift, NP435 transmission, 33" Goodyear's, roll cage, body rough.
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Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:22 am |
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Eck
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:06 am |
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Eck
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
Which side is plumbed to the gear box and which one is plumbed to the pump on the cooler?
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:17 pm |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
The cooler doesn't care which way the fluid runs through it.
You want it plumbed so that the return line from the gear box goes into it and then into the return line of the pump.
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:39 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:02 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
It needs to be inline on the low pressure side. They won't handle the 1200psi or whatever. But yes, other than that you can hook it up however.
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Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:18 pm |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:37 pm |
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