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Jesus_man
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Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:36 am Posts: 5984 Location: California
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Bronco Suspension 1.0
I have little flex out of the front of my bronco. Well on a recent trip I got the front end bound up on a tree and one of the coil springs popped loose from the lower coil bucket and then my bronco started flexing. So it got me to thinking that part of my problem is the stiff springs. I also wheel with a lot of jeeps and have seen how the coil spring design is somewhat unique in that it allows the top of the coil spring to come off it's seat to gain a little more flex. So I modified my bronco to do something similar. These are about 8" long: Installed in place of the spring retainer: Flexed out with high lift: Bushings at their max: Phase 2.0 will be all new arms with JJ's and hiems! Hope that comes late winter early spring. J.D.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:54 am |
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sbolt19
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Re: Bronco Suspension 1.0
Wait a second here, so are you saying to completely take the top spring retainer off and used the pipe as the "retainer"? I see the logic with the added flex because there isn't anything holding it on, but what about stability? How's that gonna work?
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Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:40 am |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Bronco Suspension 1.0
Yes, the tube is the new retainer. I am not sure I understand your stability question. When specifically are you talking? Highway, trail?
Once I install new radius arms, I will likely have to install limiting straps to keep the springs from coming all the way off the retainers.
J.D.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:52 am |
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Entourage
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Re: Bronco Suspension 1.0
Which arms are you thinking about? There are guys in the club running Wild Horses and James Duff Extended arms. I have looked at the Cage arms and they are fairly reasonable compared. I was leaning toward the Wild Horses brand after seeing them on a club member's truck at Golden Corral Breakfast - they are so nice. The bracket is really well built as well.
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Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:56 am |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Bronco Suspension 1.0
Actually, I am doing all Custom from Battlement Fab. If you're familiar with Clint's shop in Grand Junction, he's the one going to do a "kit" for me. It'll be a Y-link setup with one main tube to the bottom of the axle and a shorter one off the top back to the lower arm. IIRC it's a JJ at the frame, Bushings as the axle, and a Heim on the upper arm where it meets lower. He's also making me brackets to weld onto the axle.
The plan is to mount the frame brackets just inboard of the frame to help with tire-rub and just low enough to get the bolt thru the joint under the frame. The bracket on the axle will include coil buckets as well as a lower and upper mount for the links. We'll have to figure in something for a shock mount too. I hope to push the axle forward a couple inches as well.
J.D.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:10 am |
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sbolt19
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Re: Bronco Suspension 1.0
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Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:20 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Bronco Suspension 1.0
yes. in fact I had to take quite a bit of weight off the front to even get the spring to unseat.
road manners shouldn't change. I should have better trail performance because in those instances where I am hanging a wheel in the air, maybe it'll be contacting the ground now. I think I'll get a "pop" each time a coil reseats, but that's tolerable for the added flex.
J.D.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:51 pm |
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crawlercreations
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Re: Bronco Suspension 1.0
I have seen that suspension idea used quite a bit. The main issue with the fronts of our broncos is the radius arms. They act as a sway bar when the suspension is travelling. Your new suspension set-up should not need the coils to float at the top. Food for thought: My rear suspension flexes like mad....I have only seen a couple others that can flex as well as mine....I am running bone stock 1975 bronco coils that have been cut down 2 inches!! Mostly about the front suspension design. That is the reason I wristed my custom long arms....the long arm wasn't quite enough for me.
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Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:28 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Bronco Suspension 1.0
For some reason, these coils I have are very stiff. Seems odd as the ride isn't bad, but they don't stuff or droop at all. It's all 100% reversible if I don't have a need for the coils to float.
J.D.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:40 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Bronco Suspension 1.0
So far I have no concern of it not seating properly, but I have not been out on the trail either.
J.D.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:23 pm |
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ZOSO
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Re: Bronco Suspension 1.0
Only thing I'd be scared about is the spring twisting out of the lower cup.
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Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:24 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Bronco Suspension 1.0
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Bronco Suspension 1.0
How long will you be waiting for the brackets and how much wheeling do you plan to do in the interim? Might be worth tacking a small tab on to the lower portion of the spring that prevents it from twisting out of the lower retainer.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
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Jesus_man
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Re: Bronco Suspension 1.0
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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