Thank you. That is exactly like the one in my friend's August 65 U14. I just went to his house a couple nights ago, and looked over his truck. The pump in mine has 8 hex head bolts. Is this a difference between aftermarket & OEM, or just like the mirrors, Ford used what ever they had? I have no idea.
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Next time I'm at Tony's I'm going to have my camera handy & take a bunch of pics. I'll look closer at his fuel pump. I wouldn't expect any fuel pump on any 66 to be factory, unless it was parked with very low miles.
Would an original pump be a Carter? or Ford branded? IDK.
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My fuel pump has 8 bolts. I have no clue if its original. Probably not. I can't see a brand name on it as it's covered in muck. Next time I'm under the Bronco I'll try and take some pics.
Ok, here is a new one. Apparently, some August 65 built Broncos have a shorter t-case shifter than the later built trucks. There may have been some short shifters on later trucks too.
Jeremy? Colby?
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1st day U13 on CB.com, different inner fender at firewall.
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my inner fender not sure if its 100% original
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Gunnibronco wrote:Ok, here is a new one. Apparently, some August 65 built Broncos have a shorter t-case shifter than the later built trucks. There may have been some short shifters on later trucks too.
Jeremy? Colby?
Why does it always boil down to the length of one's shaft ?
I saw the thread on CB.com about the short shifters. My U14, which I'm fairly certain was built day 1 of production, has a long shifter. I wonder if people didn't just cut them down because they were too long maybe? People often mistake the T-case shifter in my Bronco for the tranny shifter which gets annoying. Partly because it's so long I think. If they did come from the factory that way I would have to chalk that up to throwing together whatever they had on hand, which seemed to happen a lot in those early days.
My shifter is quite obviously cut short. The weld & grinding work is visible, along with a slight kink.
Bajabronco, Delconick, and eaglenest66 say the short shifter is a real thing, so I believe it. They all know their stuff. Must have been the old 66 switcharoo parts game.
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I've read in a few places that the short shifter was a later '66 thing. It came about after owners continually ped their D20's out of gear while shifting to 1st and 3rd on the column.
Of course there's no way to prove that. But seems like a reasonable explanation.
Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
akaFrankCastle wrote:I've read in a few places that the short shifter was a later '66 thing. It came about after owners continually ped their D20's out of gear while shifting to 1st and 3rd on the column.
Of course there's no way to prove that. But seems like a reasonable explanation.
The current discussion on CB seems to agree.
Maybe the few odd ball early short shifters were replaced by the owner or dealer after the newer shorter shifters came out. Others cut them shorter, like mine.
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Yeah I tend to agree with that sentiment in some cases. The long t-case shifter gets in my way sometimes so I could totally see people requesting they be swapped at the dealer or cutting them down themselves. I have no doubts there are probably some out there from the factory too, given all the "variation" that accompanied the 66's.
I just went to my friend's house and looked over his 66 U14. I confirmed the VIN as a very early August 65 production, just outside of the top 25 oldest on the CB.com thread.
casadejohnson wrote:That fuel pump is covered in grease and grime but it looks like it has a Carter brand name on it
His fuel pump is identical to Jeremey's pictured above, and it does have the same Carter brand imprinted into it.
Gunnibronco wrote:
akaFrankCastle wrote:I've read in a few places that the short shifter was a later '66 thing. It came about after owners continually ped their D20's out of gear while shifting to 1st and 3rd on the column.
Of course there's no way to prove that. But seems like a reasonable explanation.
The current discussion on CB seems to agree.
Maybe the few odd ball early short shifters were replaced by the owner or dealer after the newer shorter shifters came out. Others cut them shorter, like mine.
Tony's truck seemed to have the shorter t-case shifter. So there is another early August 65 truck with a short shifter. Factory original or replaced after the fact? I wouldn't rule anything out, as this truck lived at a Ford dealership for most of it's life.
How tall out of the floor does the longer shifter measure? Tony's was about 12" above the floor board. I'm wondering, because I picked up a shifter, but don't know if it's a long or short. It's about 18" overall.
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The T case shifter screws in and out easily so I bet they got swapped out on a regular basis. Plus I bet at that time a lot of people just took them out and shorten them themselves if it was a problem. I used to hit that shifter all the time before Phil and I swapped the C4 and my 66.
Thanks for the pic. My friend's truck is a shorter shifter, it was only about 12" out of the floor. I think the shifter I got is long.
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The first few months of production (August 65- about mid-November 65) the sheet metal was made by Budd Manufacturing, not Ford. There were lots of minor differences between the Budd parts & Ford. Most these differences are pictured in the "Sheetmetal" part of this thread. The 'eyebrow grill' is probably the most easily identified Budd part. They seemed to be replaced by the normal grill about the same time the full Budd tubs ran out (mid 11/65). Budd Manufacturing existed since the early 1900's and made mostly train car bodies, from what little I've read.
Individual Budd sheetmetal parts still seem to pop up on 67's too. RT9's 67 truck has some Budd panels on it.
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Super cool! Thanks much -- Mine is an Oct build month, so I guess that's what I have. I honestly had no idea that there were SO many unique features on the '66! This is gonna be fun.
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I didn't know any of this stuff till I bought my 66, and started researching it all. I was amazed how much stuff got changed out on my truck with just 57k on the odometer.
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." ΓÇô Claire Wolfe
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Gunnibronco wrote:I didn't know any of this stuff till I bought my 66, and started researching it all. I was amazed how much stuff got changed out on my truck with just 57k on the odometer.
I wonder how much of the '66 Ford Truck stuff would interchange? For instance, this horn ring is for that year period Ford Truck -- do you know if anyone has tried it to see if it might cross reference with the Bronco? Just curious...
Funny you mention that. I just looked at a very nice 65 Camper Special F250 yesterday at the pre-Gunnison Car Show, last night. It had lots of stuff from the 66 Bronco- knobs, door handles, shifter & turnsignal knob, fresh air inlet doors. It had a horn ring, but wasn't the same as the Bronco. I'm headed to the real show right now, I'll take some pics.
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There were 2 1965 F250s at the show today. The Camper Special is freshly restored, and done really well.
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66 arm rests (but colored matched to the interior, not black), window & door handles, radio, dash controls knobs, turn signal & shifter lever & air vent doors in the kick panels.
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Horn ring has 3 spokes & a very different horn button/emblem
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The original, non-Camper Special had a 300 I6 (first year for that motor) and less options. Recognize the speedo?
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I'm going to guess the fuse block is the same as well.
The problem with the steering wheel is the F series is deeper from where the driver grabs it to where it mounts to the steering shaft. This deeper wheel creates a steeper angle and would make the F series horn ring stick out badly on a Bronco wheel.
Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
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Added pic of 'access hole' & rubber plug in early inner quarter panel. Also short vs tall t-case shifter.
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Chad, I noticed the discussion about 66 wheels over on CB a few days ago. What wheels does yours have? I have one of the less common style and 4 of the others. I wonder if they were the spares originally?
I'm glad someone asked. They aren't paying attention to what I'm posting over there. In my opinion, none of his rims are correct 66 rims. Here's the thread:
My truck had wagon wheel rims on it when I bought it.
This is the opinion I've formed from looking at roughly eleventy bajillion 66 pics in the last year. And also from date stamps on some early rims I got from Don Allison. I haven't read it anywhere in actual writing, posted by anyone, anywhere. So I could be wrong.
There are two style of rims, early (66-67 Broncos, and ?65-?? 1/2 ton pickups I think) and late (68 on). Forget the K/H stamp for a minute. The difference is in the window or opening shape
Early:
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Late:
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I went through EVERY rim Don Allison had, looking for the early style with K/H stamps. There were at least 2 other rims with the same style, with no K/H stamp. The one I bought has a KW stamp. I have early style with K/H stamps dated 66 & 67. Someone over there commented that the K/H should be straight across from the Ford logo. One of my K/H stamped wheels has the Ford logo 90* from the K/H instead of straight across. It still has a tire on it, so I can't see the date stamp.
The "Late" rim pictured above is Landshark's, it has the K/H, but it's the newer style window, and dated 68. On CB.com everyone is caught up looking at the K/H, and I think they are missing the point. I'm willing to bet the thread's owner has a bunch of 68 K/H rims. He now thinks they are super special 66 rims.
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Also, some of my 'early' K/H rims have markings (scratches) that match the 66 hubcap retainer pattern. So I'm pretty damn sure they were on 66 Broncos.
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ped their D20's out of gear while shifting to 1st and 3rd on the column. 
