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Viperwolf1
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Nothing really sticks out, except for whatever is sticking out of the oil pickup.
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Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:41 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
It's a random piece of pan gasket. Unless one of my kids put it there, it was in there when we pulled the pan.
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Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:19 am |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Probably fell in during a timing chain replacement. How does the chain look? Much slack?
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
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Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:25 am |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Yup. Looks to be 1/2 inch of slack or more. I'll measure it when I get the timing cover off.
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Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:05 am |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
The teardown continues. Got the intake and one head pulled this evening. Other than all the crap in the #7 cylinder, the wear looks OK to my vastly untrained eye. Curious to know how that much junk got into one cylinder but not the other three. Given that I know nothing about building an engine, I'm pretty happy with how this is going so far.
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Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:49 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
My guess is it was stored with the water pump facing up. Rain entered the intake and the #7 intake valves were open.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:03 am |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Oh yeah. Duh. Pic of the worst part of the cylinder wall that I can see without scraping the inside of the wall. How aggressive can I be about cleaning this out once I drop the piston? Don't want to scratch the walls.
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Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:06 am |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
I like green scotchbrite pads. They're made of plastic and will disintegrate before they could ever tear through your cylinders.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:15 am |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
You don't need to worry about scratches. That hole is not going to be usable in its current bore. There are going to be pits in it.
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Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:20 am |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
OK, thanks to both of you. Anything I need to pay attention to when Im taking out the pistons?
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Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:02 am |
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landshark
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
You might be better off dropping that bad piston out of the bottom. Hopefully not too much pitting from that rust and you can have it bored out.
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Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:34 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
That's the plan. Am hoping to take the snow day to finish disassembly.
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Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:40 pm |
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crawlercreations
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Not sure you'll be able to drop it out the bottom. Typically the piston bores are in line with the rod, not the center of the main bearings meaning you will run into block before it comes out the bottom.
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Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:27 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Got the other head off the engine. So far the #7 cylinder appears to be the worst one. Hope to get the rotating assembly out in in the next few days and get things cleaned up a little.
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Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:53 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Strip it. Hot tank it. Paint it. Turn it into a coffee table.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:58 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
That's the plan if it doesn't turn out to be usable.
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Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:59 pm |
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mickphatmac
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
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hockeydad4-22
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
just put it on a dolly
problem solved
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mickphatmac
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
I was thinking of a dual use Chandelier Hoist!
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Greg,are you saying I play with dollies?
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 2:13 pm |
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hockeydad4-22
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
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Sun Dec 20, 2015 10:58 am |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
None of her princess dresses fit me, thankfully.
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Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:19 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Finished getting the engine torn down. Cleaned out the dirty piston bores as best I could, but had to hammer out the stuck pistons. Overall the walls look better than I expected, but we'll see what the machine shop says. Tried cleaning them up with a green scotchbrite as suggested, but shredded the pad with out making enough progress to get a clear sense of what I'm dealing with.
On the down side, it looks to me like the crank is shot. Jason, you definitely called the spun bearing. One of the rods had about 1/8" of slop before I loosened the fastener and there's a meaningful ridge in the middle. I'm guessing the damage is more than can be machined out?
Quick question-is it standard practice to remove all the little sensors, allen-head plugs etc.? I'm assuming anything with a bolt head should come out before I take it in, but that he'll deal with the freeze plugs.
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crawlercreations
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Time for a stroker! Crank is likely too far gone to use. If they can only turn it .010 you would be okay but any more than that and is garbage in my book. The way it looks it is far more than .010 though. Stroker kits are cheap now. You'll likely need at least one new rod so the stroker makes even more sense.
You're better off removing everything you can before it hits the machine shop as you bay never see it again. Don't worry about the freeze plugs or the cam bearings. Also, I wouldn't pull the Allen head plugs.
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
I threw a micrometer on it. Surprisingly, there's only about .07 difference between the bad section and the rest. I'll still be stunned if it's salvageable, as there's a visible difference. Time to start a budget stroker thread...
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phyler
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Justin, I know you don't need a .060 kit and I don't know enough here, but the guy has a crank in the picture. http://denver.craigslist.org/pts/5370942877.html I don't know what a crank costs either so take this with that knowledge.
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Thanks! I shot him an email. That's definitely more budget friendly that most of the options I've been looking at. I've been pretty happy with the power from my 302, so a fresh stock 351w will be fine. I'd love to build a stroker, but it's only something I'd do if the cost difference wasn't that big.
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Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:01 am |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Thanks to those who posted up the craigslist ad for a bunch of 351w parts. I ended up picking it up on the theory that I'd be able to part it out if I couldn't use what I got. It looks like the crank has been turned as the rod diameter mics at 2.302. There is some minor scoring on a couple of the rod journals, so hopefully it's still good. The rods appear to be stock Ford and the pistons are cast Sealed Power stock replacements. All in all, if I have to go .060 on this block I should be set. Probably ought to have waited till I knew what I was dealing with on the block, but....
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ZOSO
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
If you wanna just get it going and carb it I have 2 edelbrock manifolds for sale.
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Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:34 am |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Appreciate the offer. One of the main goals of this is being able to install all the efi stuff while it's on the stand.
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Sun Dec 27, 2015 9:48 am |
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