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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby Rox Crusher » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:18 pm

Ok, I've heard of people "smoking" their motor to find vacuum leak.

How is this done ?
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby Viperwolf1 » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:24 pm

It's not a vac leak. That would effect it more at idle when the vacuum is high.
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby casadejohnson » Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:32 pm

This is probably off base but could you have an O2 sensor issue? I had an O2 sensor wire that got up against the header on mine and it was intermittently shorting out and it caused some similar issues to what you describe. Yours sounds like it is a more extreme version of what mine was but it would certainly be worth looking at. On the fuel tank, would it be possible to temporarily, run an external pump to see if that changes anything? I don't know if the in-tank pump would allow fuel to be pulled through it by an external pump but if does, that might allow you to trouble shoot the tank / pump without dropping the tank again. With the number of fuel delivery issues that you have had, I would be tempted to set up a temporary fuel cell and an external HP pump. It would be a pain in the ass but at least you would know if the problem is in the tank again or if you should be looking elsewhere.
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby EFI Guy » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:41 pm

Rob's idea of pulling a data log is a great idea. While it may not tell you exactly what the problem is, it will certainly help narrow it down. It will show if you are going lean on 1 bank or both. It's also super handy for finding electrical gremlins since the value of the culprit will usually bottom out or spike during intermittent conditions.
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby casadejohnson » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:35 pm

What's the word Jeff? Any progress on the diagnosis?
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby Rox Crusher » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:39 am

casadejohnson wrote:What's the word Jeff? Any progress on the diagnosis?


No real progress as I have been trying to recover from a chest cold and had to go to KC.

I did change out the spark plugs on drivers side and they were all still correctly gapped and looked to be in good shape, etc. I will change the others today or tomorrow.

More encouraging is that the cavalry is coming over to help troubleshoot it further.

I think I will be sitting in the engine bay watching the fuel pressure gauge while Phil dies the test driving.

I wish I had the data logging stuff to work with as I agree it would be enlightening.
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby EFI Guy » Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:24 am

Rox Crusher wrote:I wish I had the data logging stuff to work with as I agree it would be enlightening.


Give me a shout this evening. We'll sort out the logistics to get you going.
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby casadejohnson » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:06 pm

Rox Crusher wrote:
casadejohnson wrote:What's the word Jeff? Any progress on the diagnosis?


No real progress as I have been trying to recover from a chest cold and had to go to KC.

I did change out the spark plugs one drivers side and they were all still correctly gapped and looked to be in good shape, etc. I will change the others today or tomorrow.

More encouraging is that the cavalry is coming over to help troubleshoot it further.

I think I will be sitting in the engine bay watching the fuel pressure gauge while Phil dies the test driving.

I wish I had the data logging stuff to work with as I agree it would be enlightening.


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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby Rox Crusher » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:06 am

casadejohnson wrote:
Rox Crusher wrote:
casadejohnson wrote:What's the word Jeff? Any progress on the diagnosis?


No real progress as I have been trying to recover from a chest cold and had to go to KC.

I did change out the spark plugs one drivers side and they were all still correctly gapped and looked to be in good shape, etc. I will change the others today or tomorrow.

More encouraging is that the cavalry is coming over to help troubleshoot it further.

I think I will be sitting in the engine bay watching the fuel pressure gauge while Phil dies the test driving.

I wish I had the data logging stuff to work with as I agree it would be enlightening.


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Well, the cavalry just doubled in size.

EFI Guy is bringing his quarter horse data logger to help with the troubleshooting.

This problem doesn't stand a chance !
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby ZOSO » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:56 am

I hope you figure it out and it's something simple. When are you guys gonna work on it?
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby Rox Crusher » Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:23 am

ZOSO wrote:I hope you figure it out and it's something simple. When are you guys gonna work on it?


Saturday mid-morning

I hope it isn't embarrassingly simple

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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby landshark » Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:06 am

Maybe its not the engine or fuel delivery.. maybe its the driver?












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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby Rox Crusher » Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:48 pm

Well it seems te be running very well but not sure what cured it.

Things we did today:

- finished installing new spark plugs. Removed plugs all had proper gap and looked good.
- cleaned air filter
- cleaned MAF sensor
- cleaned IAB
- cleaned throttle body
- adjusted throw on throttle so it would open up further
- took for a 15 mile test drive

Came back and ran codes, got a couple weird one during KOER
- 18 which = "SPOUT circuit open or spark angle word failure"
- 96 which = "Fuel pump secondary circuit failure. The EEC did not sense battery voltage on the Fuel Pump Monitor circuit."

We should have run and cleared codes before test drive but didn't think of that at the time.

So, I will put some miles on it in next few days and see if it keeps running well and if codes return.

Any insight on the codes anybody ?

Big thanks to Phil for coming out to help and also to G ary for being on standby.
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Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby Colorado75bronc » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:28 pm

I'd think the spout code could contribute to a problem, if it is intermittently having connection issues it could cause timing problems, I'm not certain on that as I don't know what codes are considered false codes in early ford efi, also a voltage issue to the fuel pump could cause issues to, you might do a volt drop test on the signal wire to the relay after it's been driven for a few, check from the ecu to the relay, and on the ground circuit of the relay check from its pin to the neg. post, if there is a resistance issue in the power or ground circuit to the pump relay, it will show up in this test
Also, if the spout code is a valid code, check the connection for the spout for corrosion or loose pins, with ignition off check resistance across the connector on each wire, if that's good, connect a timing light, rev it up to see what total advance is, then while revving it up wiggle and move the harness to the spout, and flex on the connector, if the timing retards back down to base or a code sets while doing this you may have a poor connection or a chaffed wire

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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby Rox Crusher » Sun Jan 05, 2014 6:40 pm

Finally got around to installing my Meyers 7' snowplow.

Looks tough, but controls aren't working yet. Gotta do some troubleshooting in the morning.

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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby Moab Mike » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:17 pm

Nice work! You can make a little extra money in your neighborhood now. poke
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby Rox Crusher » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:40 pm

76fordbronco wrote:Nice work! You can make a little extra money in your neighborhood now. poke


First order of business is to plow my drive so I can get out of the dog house.

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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby Kinder » Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:39 pm

Looks great
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby Jesus_man » Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:19 am

Needs an LED lightbar now! Yeah, does look great. I loved plowing with my dad's 60's power wagon!
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby Rox Crusher » Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:05 am

Jesus_man wrote:Needs an LED lightbar now! Yeah, does look great. I loved plowing with my dad's 60's power wagon!


You must have read my mind, one of the current lights is kind of wonky (broken) and I am looking into different lights which is why I didn't even hook these ones up.

If I get one as bright as crawlercreations.............it will just melt the snow !
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby Jesus_man » Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:18 am

Sounds like a win/win!
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby Rox Crusher » Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:36 am

Phil and I re-arranged a couple electron hiways and got it functioning. Turns out the Meyer solenoid is uni-directional.

Too bad the plow is so flippin' heavy that I have to redo / fortify the plow hanger mount so it doesn't snap off.

The front springs are so compressed that it is causing clearance issues for tires / fenders and the rear tires are wanting to leave the ground.

So, looks like new springs up front and some extra weight behind the rear seat will be the next order of business.
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby Kinder » Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:39 am

I was likely going to pickup some air springs, I've only found them new at the Graveyard, http://broncograveyard.com/bronco/i-129 ... 0-4x4.html.

I'm guessing I'll have to add some small blocks to make up for the suspension lift. Want to split shipping?
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby Rox Crusher » Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:03 pm

kinder wrote:I was likely going to pickup some air springs, I've only found them new at the Graveyard, http://broncograveyard.com/bronco/i-129 ... 0-4x4.html.

I'm guessing I'll have to add some small blocks to make up for the suspension lift. Want to split shipping?


Ad says free shipping. Regardless, my B Ronco piggy bank is empty at the moment.
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby Kinder » Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:20 pm

Must have missed the free shipping thing. How about you order a pair and sort out all the install issues, then I'll order mine.
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Re: TRE based TRO on a 76 / 77

Postby Rox Crusher » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:13 pm

Rox Crusher wrote:Howdy guys,

As we learned a few things specific to 76/77 model Bronco, I thought I would share results of my TieRod Over conversion using Roughstuff TieRod End components in combination with knuckles off of a 78/79 Bronco.

The tie rod attachment points on the 78/79 knuckle are about 1" lower than the stock knuckles used on 76/77 Broncos. So in theory, the 76/77 knuckles would be better in terms of achieving maximum trail clearance for steering linkage.

Unfortunately, the attachment points on 76/77 are about 1" closer to the wheels preventing use of any of the heavier duty steering linkage components available which is why I elected to use the 78/79 knuckles.

On to the good stuff, since the 76/77 Bronco came stock with a longer track bar bracket, you don't have to use a drop pitman arm or an axle riser bracket to achieve nearly perfect geometry between trac bar and drag link. Mine ended up being within 1 degree of each other.


When I did this I used a steering arm I borrowed from Kirk since I forgot the reamer. Even though it was only 3/8" longer than my original, it was somehow causing a very loud clunk in the steering.

Today, Phil gave me my stock arm back after he had reamed it to the correct size to match the new tie rod ends. I just installed it and it no longer clunks at all.

Thanks again guys for all the help !
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby Rox Crusher » Sun Jan 19, 2014 1:32 pm

Yesterday I mounted the plow up again to see what else I need to do to strengthen up the mount.

Thought I would share a couple photos.

Looks like I need to lower the cutting edge back down by a smidge.
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby Jesus_man » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:52 am

How much lift are you running? I wonder if a set of old f-150 coils would help with the extra snow plow weight? I remember when I was building my '74, the F-150 coils were cheap and gave a couple inches of lift. You sacrifice ride, but you could swap back for the summer??
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby Rox Crusher » Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:18 am

Jesus_man wrote:How much lift are you running? I wonder if a set of old f-150 coils would help with the extra snow plow weight? I remember when I was building my '74, the F-150 coils were cheap and gave a couple inches of lift. You sacrifice ride, but you could swap back for the summer??


I'm running 3.5" springs but have been planning (read, procrastinating) to go up to 4.5" to eliminate the slight rake it has always had.

This gives me more reason to do this and I think I will also add some of those inflatable bags that go inside the springs. Deflate them when plow not in use.

I'll see how that works and then consider adding sand bags in the back as counterweight.
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport

Postby Rox Crusher » Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:00 pm

Did I mention I'm getting ARB's front and rear ?
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