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75DBE
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Joined: Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:37 am Posts: 319 Location: Colorado Springs
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WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
Ok. Well, 24 hours of driving was better than none I guess. Son took the Bronco out for lunch this afternoon and started having some troubles right before he got back to the house and then when he was in front of the house trying to back the Bronco into the driveway, it won't go. The rear wheels are completely locked up. Even with the rear end off the ground and the car in neutral the wheels will not spin. I don't smell brakes, but does anyone have any other ideas how I can get this thing out of the middle of the road and into my driveway?
_________________ Now with disk brakes, has turned into my sons daily driver while he is home on Christmas break.
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:32 pm |
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D&D72
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Joined: Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:49 pm Posts: 988 Location: Henderson, Co. Grand Lake, Co
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
disconnect the drive shaft? or, I did have an issue like that once where I had to bleed off the brakes to get them to release.
_________________ That guy John.... whatta Jerk.
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:49 pm |
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75DBE
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
I was going to but I have not because I figured if I had the rear wheels in neutral and the automatic transmission in neutral, the rear wheels should have spun, yes?
_________________ Now with disk brakes, has turned into my sons daily driver while he is home on Christmas break.
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:52 pm |
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75DBE
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
Drove fine every other time and that is what is so confusing.
_________________ Now with disk brakes, has turned into my sons daily driver while he is home on Christmas break.
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:54 pm |
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D&D72
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
you would think so. (edited my orig response.)
_________________ That guy John.... whatta Jerk.
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:54 pm |
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75DBE
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Joined: Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:37 am Posts: 319 Location: Colorado Springs
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
Ok, headed outside to try and bleed the brakes.
_________________ Now with disk brakes, has turned into my sons daily driver while he is home on Christmas break.
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:55 pm |
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75DBE
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Joined: Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:37 am Posts: 319 Location: Colorado Springs
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
Ok. Took the rear wheels off and the drums fall right off -- they are no locked up.
_________________ Now with disk brakes, has turned into my sons daily driver while he is home on Christmas break.
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:07 pm |
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75DBE
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Joined: Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:37 am Posts: 319 Location: Colorado Springs
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
So the rear drive shaft is coming off so that I can get it out of the street.
_________________ Now with disk brakes, has turned into my sons daily driver while he is home on Christmas break.
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:13 pm |
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D&D72
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
cool, when you get it back in the driveway check your linkages for the t-case and tranny. It may be a simple problem. (hopefully)
_________________ That guy John.... whatta Jerk.
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:19 pm |
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75DBE
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
Ok, in the driveway. So the twin stick is working to get the fronts engaged or not engaged but for some reason the rear is not working.
_________________ Now with disk brakes, has turned into my sons daily driver while he is home on Christmas break.
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:40 pm |
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D&D72
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
This is where Phil chimes in!
_________________ That guy John.... whatta Jerk.
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:51 pm |
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75DBE
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
My sentiments exactly! :-) Phil -- your wisdom is needed!
_________________ Now with disk brakes, has turned into my sons daily driver while he is home on Christmas break.
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:53 pm |
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Kinder
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
So the rear shifter won't move at all? I'd try to rotate the rear output shaft and at the same time try to get the rear shift rod to move (either with the shifter itself or a pry bar down at the xfer case), I would leave the front in neutral during this, make sure your parking brake works and maybe block the wheels. Any chance he bumped something and tried to cross shift the xfer case, i.e. rear was in High and tried to push the from into Low?
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:06 pm |
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75DBE
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
Oh no -- my bad. The twin sticks move independently -- I cut the tabs off. I can get the left stick to all three positions and the right stick to all three positions, no problem. With the rear wheels in neutral (right stick in neutral) I can drive / move the vehicle. As soon as I engage the rear wheels, everything locks up. It seems like the drive shaft is trying to turn the rear wheels, but I get more torque on the driveshaft -- I assume because of the slightly higher than stock angle -- and I get wheel wrap -- as the output shaft on the axle rotates up towards 12 o'clock.
_________________ Now with disk brakes, has turned into my sons daily driver while he is home on Christmas break.
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:11 pm |
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Kinder
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
Sounds like it time to pop the xfer case cover and see what falls out besides gear oil.
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:28 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
With the transfer case in neutral and the rear driveshaft off See if you can turn the Rear yoke by hand.
I think it's more likely to be a problem with the rear differential then the transfer case.
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:56 pm |
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75DBE
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
Well, mystery solved all. I have an awesome looking rebuilt D20 transfer case that now needs to be rebuilt. That's what happens when you are going on the third year of a rebuild and you finally get to drive the Bronco around and forget that you didn't put fluid in the case. Ugh. I am an idiot.
_________________ Now with disk brakes, has turned into my sons daily driver while he is home on Christmas break.
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:05 pm |
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Kinder
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
That sucks, sorry man
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:15 pm |
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Moab Mike
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Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:59 pm Posts: 1940 Location: Witness Protection Program
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
Ouch, that sucks!
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:23 pm |
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Gregg
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Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:08 am Posts: 1060
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
Oh duuuuuuuhuuuuuude, (extra syllable on the huuuuuuude). Sorry man.
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:07 pm |
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Justin
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
That sucks. Nice to know I'm not the only guy that does stuff like that.
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:49 pm |
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D&D72
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Joined: Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:49 pm Posts: 988 Location: Henderson, Co. Grand Lake, Co
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
BUMMER!
_________________ That guy John.... whatta Jerk.
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Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:53 am |
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Jesus_man
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Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:36 am Posts: 5984 Location: California
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
At least D20's are a dime a dozen, or thereabouts! But it is bad to pull the cover and NOTHING comes out. At least you got it figured out!
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Dirtheadz
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Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:27 pm Posts: 929 Location: Colorad Springs
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Re: WTF -- Rear Wheels Locked Up
been their and doen that!!! try putting a detroit in a 9" then not haveing the money to wrap up the other details you wanted, waiting a few months to finish said other items.... No gear oil in rear diff= do over! I Feel your pain!!!
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