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phyler
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Joined: Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:41 pm Posts: 1201 Location: Erie
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Panel Bond
Ok, well it came up in another thread and I've been thinking about it for the past day or so as I was working on some of my own rust. I'm really leaning towards putting the inner fender apron, kick panel, lower cowl together with panel bond. This seems to be just as strong as welding and it should resolve the issue of water getting in there and re-creating the rust since acts like a sealer.
To me, the only barrier right now is the cost of the applicator. So, does anyone in the club have one that they'd be willing to either A) lend out for a weekend or B) come and help in exchange for beer/food?
Feel free to call out any potential issues I may be overlooking. I don't mind welding but where those panels come together seems like a great spot to use panel bond versus welding.
Also, if anyone knows where you can get the applicator for cheap, speak up. Amazon had a manual one for $150. I'm also assuming/looking at the 3M brand stuff.
_________________ 1975 Ranger Edition that I've had longer than I've been without it.
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Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:08 pm |
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cravenbronco
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Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:40 pm Posts: 916 Location: Bailey
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Re: Panel Bond
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Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:27 pm |
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JGZ
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:20 pm Posts: 393 Location: Pueblo West
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Re: Panel Bond
Best stuff ever.Most new cars are assembled with this process,along with spot weldining areas.It's been used on aircraft for years.Some shops have a spot welder that has a preburn cycle that burns the panel bond back a certain amount and then welds it.Good stuff.
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Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:17 pm |
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Gunnibronco
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Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:07 pm Posts: 4074 Location: Gardnerville, NV
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Re: Panel Bond
They say its as strong or stronger than welding. Some new cars are using it in a lot of places. For example, we glue truck bedside skins on, along the top rail, and the wheel well, but weld the front panel, rear tailgate opening & at each stake pocket in the top rail. At least, I'd spot weld some, and panel bond some, on structural stuff. I like the idea of using it between the bottom of the inner & outer rocker panels. But a carefully applied, high quality seam sealer will do as good a job as necessary to keep water out. We use the 3m Automix stuff, but I think SEM & Valvoline make products that fit in the same gun. Our paint & supply house offered to sell me a generic gun for $60 when I asked about it. Here is one on Amazon that is cheaper. http://www.amazon.com/3M-8571-200-Ml-Ap ... utomix+gun
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:13 pm |
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landshark
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Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:16 am Posts: 3942 Location: Denver, Wash Park Area
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Re: Panel Bond
I have a gun you can use.. this is the one i have.
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Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:59 pm |
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Justin
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Joined: Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:04 am Posts: 6198 Images: 0 Location: Lakewood
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Re: Panel Bond
They glue together large chunks of airliners. You should be fine, and it seems like it'd be faster and more accurate than welding since warp would be as big an issue.
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Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:00 pm |
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phyler
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Joined: Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:41 pm Posts: 1201 Location: Erie
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Re: Panel Bond
Well, this is why I love this group. You all either completely enable me or just encourage the . Landshark, I'll ping you when I'm ready to glue it all together.
_________________ 1975 Ranger Edition that I've had longer than I've been without it.
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Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:04 pm |
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landshark
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Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:16 am Posts: 3942 Location: Denver, Wash Park Area
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Re: Panel Bond
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:35 pm |
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casadejohnson
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Joined: Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:30 pm Posts: 708 Location: Greeley
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Re: Panel Bond
We will also be using panel adhesive on our tailgate repair. I used it on my 74 for the rear quarter that I replaced and it has worked out very well. I bought the adhesive from my local PPG shop and they lend out the gun with a deposit when you buy adhesive from them.
On a tailgate repair panel, there will be a couple very long seams. How well does this stuff sand down if you goober it on? when I did the rear lower quarter, none of the adhesive was exposed so I had no occasion to sand it down that time.
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Mon Mar 21, 2016 11:31 pm |
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JGZ
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:20 pm Posts: 393 Location: Pueblo West
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Re: Panel Bond
The 3M 8115 is toolable,meaning it can be sanded and primed.
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Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:48 am |
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Gunnibronco
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Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:07 pm Posts: 4074 Location: Gardnerville, NV
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Re: Panel Bond
Sands ok, kind of tough, you'll probably want to use 120g on a DA sander. Or use one of these on a die grinder (there are less agressive discs too) http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_fb ... tive%2C167http://www.amazon.com/3M-07480-Coarse-S ... B0002STR90or clean it up with lacquer thinner before it sets up.
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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