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Justin
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
Nice! Glad to hear it's trucking along, welcome back!
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Colorado75bronc
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
Awesome, as for the belt, I'd recommend you either try the factory motorcraft belt from a ford dealer, or a trick I learned is to take a piece of tire chalk and hold it against the front and back of the belt as the engine is running, it'll turn the belt somewhat white or yellow depending on the chalk color but it does work well, I generally only use it to diagnose that it is infact a serp belt causing the noise, I've always had good luck with oem belts over aftermarket, so you might try the ford belt, and if it begins to squeak I believe they'll warranty it for sometime
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airbur
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
I check out a Ford version of the belt. I've been using the good quality Gates green stripe belts. I replaced it with another and the squeal went away but then came back a short while afterward.
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:58 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
How do the indicator marks on the tensioner look? That will let you know if the belt length is a problem.
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:41 pm |
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airbur
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
I hadn't thought about those. Actually haven't thought about them since I installed the tensioner. I'll check it out tomorrow. Is there a proper indication?
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:45 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
I think there are 3 marks. 2 are close together and the pointer mark should be between them on a new belt. The 3rd mark is further away and tells you when the belt is stretched too much or is too long.
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EFI Guy
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
Welcome back.
I tossed a little something for the skinny pedal in your mail box.
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:22 pm |
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airbur
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
Oh boy....new tune! Does this one have afterburners?:)
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:34 am |
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airbur
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
I don't think mine has any marks. It's a new aftermarket unit. What do the marks look like? Are they the triangles like on this Motorcraft one? Would it tend to squeal with the belt to tight or to loose?
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:52 pm |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:54 pm |
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airbur
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
Yea...that's what I was thinking. But since it only squeals on startup, I think once the belt heats up a little, it loosens and the squeal goes away. And when I say on startup only, it really is only like 3-5 seconds and then it goes away.
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:04 pm |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:43 pm |
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airbur
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:45 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:11 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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airbur
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
I checked it a while ago and amps were fine (can't remember the exact #). I also hooked up my 4Runner's battery (jumped) and started the Bronco and it still squealed. Not sure if that was a good test or not though.
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:24 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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airbur
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
I actually replaced the alternator with one that has a larger pulley. No difference so far.
Is there a way to restrict the alternator current from reaching the battery for say 5 seconds or so? I don't know what that type of hardware would be called.
If I disconnect the alternator from the battery, will I still be able to start it? Thinking that would be a good test.
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:49 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
Just pull the plug on the top of the alternator to test. You would need some kind of timed relay for the delay. I don't know of any in the aftermarket auto industry. I think the Ford version is computer controlled. Maybe Garry can find a way to do that with an unused output in the ECM?
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airbur
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
Just pulled the plug and started it. It squealed just a tiny bit, much less than normal. This makes me think I have two issues. The alternator one and maybe a misalignment in the belt somewhere?
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:22 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
Might just be a length or misalignment issue that is made worse with the load of the alternator.
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:32 pm |
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airbur
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
Guess I'll get one size larger belt and try that. I think the next size is to large though.
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:35 pm |
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EFI Guy
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
The A9L does already have code in it to delay alternator charging, the bigger question would be if it actually has the hardware inside to support it. A reman unit might, I doubt an OE would. It also looks like you could get creative with either the thermactor or A/C settings to do the same thing. I wouldn't try it unless you run out of other options though.
I have to agree that it's probably just a tension or alignment issue made worse with the alternator load. Are you running an A/C delete pulley or just a shorter belt?
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airbur
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
Just a shorter belt.
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:08 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
What belt length are you running now? The part number has the length in it.
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:25 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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EFI Guy
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airbur
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
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Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:02 am |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
K060870 sounds right. Should be 87.0". If you have any aftermarket pulleys there could be a difference in the required length. What I would do is mark the tensioner, take the belt off and see if the tensioner is working in the first half of it's travel.
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Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:04 pm |
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airbur
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Re: Airbur's 427W Build Thread
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Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:19 pm |
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