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Full width axle swap 76 f150
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Jesus_man
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
Yeah, it is a bit of a can of worms!
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:48 pm |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
'Can of Worms' should be my rig's name!
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:07 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
Lol. If you read through my build thread there's a bunch of info on what it took to move mine forward 2".
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Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:53 pm |
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rooster
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
Justin I have read through your thread a couple times, I guess my question is since I'm leaving the axle in its stock location for now, would welding the coil towers 1" forward from were they where be a good idea while everything is ready to be welded? Or would this cause the springs to bow forward significantly?
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Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:59 am |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
The coils will bow enough. I really don't think it would be a huge problem. My coils were bowed out a couple inches on each side for years, because I was running stock upper coil hangers & wide axles.
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:56 am |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
Yeah, if you are putting new towers in, weld them forward as much as you feel comfortable. I might also suggest welding them higher so you can run a taller (read more droop) springs.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:59 am |
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rooster
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
Got my front axle in this weekend , I ended up welding the duff towers ( great product BTW) 1.5 inches forward from stock. I cut down the ruffstuff trac bar bracket significantly to make sure it wouldn't interfere with the TRO when under full compression and butted it up against the spring tower and welded them together. For the trac bar I copied gunnibronco's design and ground down the stock bar to fit inside a dom tube and a hiem so it's adjustable. The hiem also replaces the upper bushing that has been known to wear out prematurely compared to the lower one. Nothing hits under full compression, in fact the long arms seem to be the limiting factor as they hit the frame rails before anything else does. I will try to get better pics soon.
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Mon May 01, 2017 10:24 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
Nice! yes, we need more pics!
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Tue May 02, 2017 10:29 am |
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rooster
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
Still haven't got the best pics, been busy and kinda spaced it out. Front is all done now complete with T-bird calipers.(If anybody needs I can get the part numbers for the fittings and lines I used for them).
The rear is out but now I have a new problem... The guy I bought this bronco from said that when he installed the locker, he also upgraded to 31 spline shafts. So I thought the rear was going to be a simple swap of the 3rd member. Well after removing axle shafts and the 3rd member it was obvious that this wasn't the case. It does have what appears to be a detroit locker, but it is 28 spline. I feel like I should sell it and put the money towards a 31 spline unit what do you guys think? Also can anybody ID this locker?
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Sun May 07, 2017 8:57 pm |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
I don't know the prices, but you can change the Detriot Locker to a 31 spline locker, unless it's an 'older' unit (20+ years). You can call Eaton for more info.
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Sun May 07, 2017 10:20 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
If you're offroading, I think it's best to go 31 spl now. You want to eliminate as many weak links as possible.
Then you might as well do a Hi9, pinion brake, frame off resto... Ok, only kidding...
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Mon May 08, 2017 6:04 am |
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Justin
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
Have you been reading my build thread? #broncocreepisreal
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Mon May 08, 2017 8:07 pm |
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rooster
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
Here's the part numbers for the brake lines and adapters I used for the T-bird caliper swap,
AN fittings FCM2929 Crush washers FCM3513 Earls brake lines 630117-14 AN to inverted brake line flare adapter FCM2936 All parts were sourced from amazon and fit great . The calipers I bought at orielys
I called eaton today about getting new side gears to convert my detroit to a 31 spline, but they told me that they will not sell just the parts I need separately...I did however meet a guy today who has an original detroit with around 200 miles on it with the right bearing size and splines for 325, plus 150 credit on my current locker. Any opinions on this? The unit looks brand new as well as the bearings, it's not the newer "soft locker" but the older design. Heard this unit is harsher and loader than the newer design but stronger? As long as I can still drive it on the street safely I could care less about the sound I think.
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Tue May 09, 2017 10:02 pm |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
I drove on an old Detroit for 15 years, now a Lock-Rite. I don't mind them, but I only really drive around Gunnison. It will lock & chirp tires going around corners if you have your foot on the gas. Can get exciting in the snow.
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Digger
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
_________________ Cummins R2.8 diesel, ZF5, AtlasII, HP44/BB9, ARBs, coiled / linked suspension, 37" KO2s, full cage, bumpers, etc. Build Thread:
Average 23.5 mpg, Best tank: 25.1 mpg
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Wed May 10, 2017 12:23 am |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
While I agree that a selectable locker in the rear is a great idea, ARB's are too troublesome for my taste. OX made a cable actuated one, and I think they still do. And Auburn makes an electric one.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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ZOSO
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Jesus_man
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Jesus_man
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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ZOSO
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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rooster
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
Thanks for the replies, all appreciated, but I've kinda blown my budget I had for this clear out of the water so a selectable locker is not really something I can justify right now, the guy with the Detroit also has nice uses axles that are in great shape so I think I will probably buy everything from him in a package since he is willing to make a better deal if I do that... this bronco is more or less a toy that I will occasionally drive to work on nice days and to and from trails. Possibly the occasional trip I hope that a detroit will suit those needs to my satisfaction
Unless someone has a cheap arb they wanna sell ...
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Wed May 10, 2017 7:05 pm |
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Strike2
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
For what is worth I ran both F/R Lockrights on my XJ, although not a DD I drove it to every trail including trips to Ouray, Crested Buttes and Phoenix and they were never an issue. The only issue I had was driving on icy roads on winter I made it 2 miles from the house and then turned back I'm sure it was a combination on the lockers and the KM2 didn't help any! I plan on running the same set up in the bronco unless I win the lotto.
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Thu May 11, 2017 7:12 am |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
In leiu of Lockrights, you might check out Spartan. I understand they are stronger. When I needed my lockright replaced, Spartan hadn't yet released the D44 version. So in went another lockright. https://www.ringpinion.com/b2c/ProductD ... rodID=9286
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
Sorry to muddy the waters, but I read good things about the Aussie lockers too. Got a ring & pinion & bearings from this company. They were good to deal with & great with prices: http://www.ronsmachiningservice.net/dana-44-3/
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Jesus_man
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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rooster
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
Well decided to stick with the Detroit. This one is the old school one but it was bassicly brand new. Got it set up in the 3rd member. I understand now why the 9 inch ford is so popular. The design is so great and I realize why these are so strong.this pattern took my an hour to get vs on the dana like 6 or 7 hours accumulative. Also scored this heavy duty housing that is the right width too. if anybody is interested i know where 2 more of these housings are. They measure 60" inside flange to flange.
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rooster
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
Made some nice progress , got the rear axle all put back together, pushed back, and welded up. The pinnion angle is right around 1.5 so hopefully that will work good. I let the axle all the way down to full droop and the driveshaft doesn't bind. Also moving the axle back an inch really helped to center the rear tires in the wheel wells. Overall I am very hap py .the ruffstuff perches lifted the rear by at least a half inch .(good in my application). More pics soon to come
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rooster
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
Nest thought id post some pics, super happy with the stance! Hope to finally finish the brakes this weekend and will post update on how it handles compared to how it was!
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Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:42 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Full width axle swap 76 f150
That looks great! What did you end up with for front suspension links? It appears the factory style clamps are still there. Did you do anything on the other end?
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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