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DLB
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Joined: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:56 am Posts: 48 Location: Fowler, CO
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The 428 donor
Here it is, not pretty but a real screamer when I did drive it. She'll need freshening up a bit for this application. In it's current state it barely runs on pump gas sounds like the early chevrolet diesels they put in their pick-ups, it takes 2 cans of octane booster to get it to stop. Yeah that's going to have to change. I have high hopes for this project.
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Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:09 pm |
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Booger
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Joined: Thu Dec 23, 2010 6:55 pm Posts: 809 Location: Broomfield
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Re: The 428 donor
Man I love those old FE's. I'm real partial to them. Wish I still had my '67 GT with the 428CJ I built for it. I bet it rattles if that thing has the old high compression pistons in it. I wanna see it when you get it stuffed in the Bronco.
_________________ Bob - Turning hydrocarbons into noise since 1970
Spiritual owner of the now Zoso mobile (1974 Bronco Ranger - EFI 351W-4R70W-ARB front and rear-STC softtop- High Country hood-3 1/2" WH lift- Cross inboard rear shock mnt- Duffs bumpers- Warn 8274- 33's- Cheby disc conversion)
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Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:12 pm |
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DLB
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Joined: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:56 am Posts: 48 Location: Fowler, CO
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Re: The 428 donor
Me to
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Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:31 pm |
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REH
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Joined: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:28 pm Posts: 56 Location: Cortez
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Re: The 428 donor
I to love FE's. Put on a set of alum. heads and an alum. intake and they weigh about the same as a 351 W. They make good power and are bullit proof.
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Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:51 pm |
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Shawns Fords
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Joined: Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:36 pm Posts: 779 Images: 0
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Re: The 428 donor
I love FE's myself. I had owned a few as well. I only wish I had the dough it takes to build a good strong one. Ended up trading my 69 S code Mustang for the EB because of that reason.
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Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:14 am |
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Jesus_man
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Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:36 am Posts: 5984 Location: California
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Re: The 428 donor
Sweet motor!! My cousin has one in a late 60's F-100. Nice ride for sure!! can't wait to see one in a bronco!
J.D.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:44 am |
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Booger
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Joined: Thu Dec 23, 2010 6:55 pm Posts: 809 Location: Broomfield
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Re: The 428 donor
_________________ Bob - Turning hydrocarbons into noise since 1970
Spiritual owner of the now Zoso mobile (1974 Bronco Ranger - EFI 351W-4R70W-ARB front and rear-STC softtop- High Country hood-3 1/2" WH lift- Cross inboard rear shock mnt- Duffs bumpers- Warn 8274- 33's- Cheby disc conversion)
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Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:47 pm |
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DLB
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Joined: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:56 am Posts: 48 Location: Fowler, CO
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Re: The 428 donor
And so it begins - strip her down and off to the machine shop, some measurements to determine the assemblies actual condition and go from there.
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Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:51 pm |
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airbur
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Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:39 am Posts: 1721 Images: 0 Location: Castle Pines, CO
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Re: The 428 donor
Sweet! Won't your wife be upset you used her good linens?
_________________ Sold: 1970 w/427W Injected Stroker
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Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:54 pm |
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DLB
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Joined: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:56 am Posts: 48 Location: Fowler, CO
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Re: The 428 donor
Only if she's following this string, i.e. "what they don't know won't hurt us"
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Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:34 pm |
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DLB
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Joined: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:56 am Posts: 48 Location: Fowler, CO
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Re: The 428 donor
The block, heads etc. are at the machine shop "Pueblo Crankshaft". Anyway I thought I would get back to the drive line, namely the transmission and transfer case. The NP 435 I have is set up for HD trucks F600 etc. w/ a 35 spline output shaft - Yes Virgina there is a 35 spline output shafts on NP 435's, you just don't see them very often. It looks a little strange from the back because it has the emergency brake mount on the tail-housing. I'm using the adapter housing (NP 435 to EB Dana 20)from Toms Bronco Parts basically because I wanted a CI piece, which as luck would have it, cost less as well. A note for anyone thinking about a 435 swap. If you do not use the specified trans i.e. F-100 through F-350 - 2WD models you will have to change the output shaft (28 spline). And if you are not using the specified case casting you'll be shimming the adapter, the shoulder / snap ring on the output shaft bearing for the HD case sticks out a little farther than the standard case, Due to the larger input shaft setting things back a little and when you torque it down it binds the shaft. 0.60 for mine. If the Input shaft looks long, that's because it is. In order to use it behind the FE it has to be 1-1/4" longer then it's small block brothers us. Cleaned up w/new output shaft, new bearings, new syncro's, new seals and gaskets - Transmission done on to the transfer case. I considered the NP205 or Dana 300. I finally decide to just stick with the Dana 20 it's a solid T case and I'm not building a rock crawler. Any way here's some pics not in any real order. http://s1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh5 ... =slideshow
Last edited by DLB on Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:37 pm |
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Booger
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Joined: Thu Dec 23, 2010 6:55 pm Posts: 809 Location: Broomfield
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Re: The 428 donor
Couldn't get to see the pix because it says this is marked a private album.
_________________ Bob - Turning hydrocarbons into noise since 1970
Spiritual owner of the now Zoso mobile (1974 Bronco Ranger - EFI 351W-4R70W-ARB front and rear-STC softtop- High Country hood-3 1/2" WH lift- Cross inboard rear shock mnt- Duffs bumpers- Warn 8274- 33's- Cheby disc conversion)
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Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:47 pm |
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DLB
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Joined: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:56 am Posts: 48 Location: Fowler, CO
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Re: The 428 donor
Fixed
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Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:32 pm |
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Rox Crusher
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Joined: Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:36 pm Posts: 3980 Location: Roxborough Park, Colorado
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Re: The 428 donor
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:43 pm |
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DLB
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Joined: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:56 am Posts: 48 Location: Fowler, CO
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Re: The 428 donor
The power wielding will happen later, this is just getting it to the wheels - infrastructure if you will.
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Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:05 pm |
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Shawns Fords
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Joined: Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:36 pm Posts: 779 Images: 0
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Re: The 428 donor
Is that little case going to hold up even 50%?
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Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:57 pm |
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DLB
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Joined: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:56 am Posts: 48 Location: Fowler, CO
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Re: The 428 donor
I'm making a prairie chicken - not a mountain goat and the 20 is tougher than you think. . That bein' said, Should it grenade I'll go back to 205 or 300 concept. I believe it's the U - joints that are going to blow if I get it in a bind.
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:31 am |
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Justin
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Joined: Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:04 am Posts: 6198 Images: 0 Location: Lakewood
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Re: The 428 donor
The output shaft is a known weak point-you may break that first, or destroy it over time. That said, they're not that hard to replace if you swap out the entire output housing and you can probably find a trail spare fairly cheap.
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:32 am |
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DLB
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Joined: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:56 am Posts: 48 Location: Fowler, CO
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Re: The 428 donor
I've been told that, check out Wild Horses extreme duty Dana 20 output shaft.
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:20 pm |
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Justin
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Re: The 428 donor
I've seen that. At $429 they're pretty proud of it. Not sure I wouldn't just put the money towards a 203/205 doubler setup.
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:19 am |
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DLB
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Joined: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:56 am Posts: 48 Location: Fowler, CO
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Re: The 428 donor
I am by no means an expert in this area, that being said I considered several things when I was determining which transfer case to use, What I'm using it for "Prairie Chicken Daily Driver", The country I prefer is for the most part not that severe - rugged not severe however I don't require super low - the 435 compound, 428 torque at low rpm and low range will be more than sufficient, clearance can be an issue and the 20 tucks up nice and tight even with a pto (did I mention - 8000 ramsey) , No extreme drive line modifications, the additional length on the harder output shaft is minor, No extreme floorboard mods either. The 20 is a durable case some straight cut gears, weak output shaft and noise are it's issue all minor and at least one - correctable. I looked at a 205, 300 swap sure heavier more modern cases but not worth the trade off in initial cost, drive line modification (of which I am already making enough of anyway) or clearance wise. I have a couple of good Dana 24's I considered fitting in, strong hard cases I have brutalized this style of T case in 1 ton trucks - mod wise worse than the 205 / 300 to install. And you are absolutely correct Wild Horse is pretty proud of that part, that's why only the transmission w/ adapter is completed, I allocate funds over time and that time isn't here yet.
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