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The dumb engine building questions thread
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Justin
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The dumb engine building questions thread
Am taking the week of christmas off and am hoping to finally get my engine built. Will inevitably have 1000 dumb questions, so I figured I'd start a thread.
Question 1: I'm planning to paint the block. I'm assuming it's best to do this prior to assembly? I was figuring on masking off all the machined surface, then spray bombing. Question 2: What color? Totally subjective, but having a hard time picking. Am considering the light Ford blue since I'm shooting for a kind of restomod thing, even if it's heavy on the mod. Opinions? Question 3: I need to buy a better torque wrench than the HF crap I've been using. 1/2" or 3/8" for this job? I can't remember the torque range needed for this project. Question 4: Any issues with running the factory stamped 1989 351w valve covers? Heads are GT40 and it's getting EFI w/ an Edelbrock intake.
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Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:08 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: The dumb engine building questions thread
It's best to paint the block when it's clean and oil free. Usually that only happens when it's bare. You can clean it and paint after assembly but that usually means everything will be the same color.
You will need a 1/2" torque wrench. Minimum 8 ft-lbs, maximum about 150 ft-lbs. Probably better to have another smaller one for the small stuff.
The stamped valve covers could work. You'll have to see what it has for vent ports and oil fill. I assume the PCV valve is in the lower intake so you'll need one vent port in the covers to let fresh air in. Make sure the fill tube doesn't interfere with the intake.
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Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:40 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: The dumb engine building questions thread
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
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Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:53 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: The dumb engine building questions thread
My only experience is with tools and I agree with the advice so far...get a 1/2" drive. I would think you'd only want smaller when you're talking in/lbs. I've been reasonably happy with my Craftsman, but it's no snap-on. I do know you are to turn them down to 0 when you store them so they maintain the correct specs.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:10 am |
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ManTruck
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Re: The dumb engine building questions thread
I suggest to paint at the same step in the build as the others have said, and the one thing I have used in the past, my sons 351W build, was POR products. All good stuff and if done right stays on. The manifold paint is awesome and the cast iron looks new on any cast you paint. Kinda pricy but in the real world not a lot compared to the years and cost you will have in the motor.
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Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:11 pm |
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Justin
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Re: The dumb engine building questions thread
Guys, thanks for the info. Zac, plan is to make the block and heads one color, with the EFi intake, front dress and eventually the valve covers contrasting aluminum. May just clearcoat the bare metal if the bracket clean up ok and I can find one that will stick decently. Planning to pick up on of the CDI wrenches from the thread awhile back.
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Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:19 pm |
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Unaweep
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Re: The dumb engine building questions thread
Justin - good thread. I too have a engine that may need a rebuild, a new Napa 351W.
So...keep posting.
Erik
_________________ 1969 Ford Bronco with: 351W, Q-Jet, ARB front locker, 3" Suspension lift, NP435 transmission, 33" Goodyear's, roll cage, body rough.
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Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:49 pm |
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airbur
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Re: The dumb engine building questions thread
Is it finished yet? ;)
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Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:08 pm |
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Justin
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Re: The dumb engine building questions thread
No, but it's prettier.
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Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:15 pm |
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Justin
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Re: The dumb engine building questions thread
Next question. After painting the block I gave it a bath in wd40 to prevent rust since I wasn't sure how long it would be till I was able to build it. Do it need to wash that off prior to building?
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Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:57 pm |
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Eck
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The dumb engine building questions thread
If you're referring to the cylinders and any of the other machined exposed metal, you shouldn't need to clean any of that off. I would just run a lint free cloth with some oil on it through and on all that metal just prior to assembly to make sure you don't have any dust or dirt that has settled in while it was sitting...
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_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:56 pm |
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Justin
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Re: The dumb engine building questions thread
Cool, thanks. Next question: New bolts are wise insurance, correct? I'm planning to buy them, but dang they're proud of them. Also, with a 1989 351w block and GT40 heads running stock rockers do I need to worry about pushrod length or can I just order stock 351w stuff?
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Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:10 pm |
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ZOSO
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Re: The dumb engine building questions thread
depending on the milling of the deck and heads you may need special cut push rods.
_________________ Rob
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Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:18 pm |
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Justin
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Re: The dumb engine building questions thread
It wasn't milled much. Took off the top of the date casting numbers. They were pretty flat to start with. What's the best way to determine whether there's an issue?
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Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:40 pm |
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Eck
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Re: The dumb engine building questions thread
I would get everything else assembled and then measure to be sure. Phil has a tool that helped on mine. We were able to get some pushrods based on the measurement, same day from On Track.
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_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:28 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:47 pm |
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Eck
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Re: The dumb engine building questions thread
I'm pretty sure I have all of my stock pushrods still. You're welcome to them if you want. Only 2000 miles on em!
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_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:08 pm |
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Justin
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Re: The dumb engine building questions thread
Sweet! Thanks! I'll absolutely take you up on that since the ones that came out of the engine were a rusty mess. I can swing by and get them this week if you're around.
Next question: I've been planning to do my ZF5 swap at the same time I do my engine, but will probably hold off to minimize the down time on my rig since summer is coming up and I still need to buy lots of parts. I'll likely throw a clutch in it at the same time. If I remember correctly, the ZF can run the stock clutch and flywheel. Is it easier to do the clutch while the engine is out or when I do the trans? Or does it matter?
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Jesus_man
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Re: The dumb engine building questions thread
The clutch replacement doesn't really matter. If you need a part number, I can see what LUK clutch I bought.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Eck
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Re: The dumb engine building questions thread
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:04 am |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: The dumb engine building questions thread
Make sure you get a diaphragm style clutch, not the kind with only 3 fingers. The ZF hydraulic clutch will only work with the diaphragm clutch, from what I've read.
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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