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Riddle me this........new motor blues
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Rox Crusher
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Riddle me this........new motor blues
Love the performance of the new 351 but have been chasing a couple issues and looking for advice
At about 150 miles the check engine light came on, ran it that way for another 50 or so until I got a code reader. #8 mis-fire was the only code. I can erase the code but it returns whenever the engine is to temp and has any load beyond idle. Can't really feel a run issue but the code keeps popping up.
I also have a small leak at valve cover, right at back of head above #8. When I removed the upper intake to get at the valve cover I noticed more oil than normal in the #8 runner of the upper intake. A little in #7. Cleaned it up and tightened up the valve cover and stuck my head back in the sand.
Swapped a couple plug wires around to determine if the #8 wire was the cause of the code. Code remained at #8 so wasn't the plug wire. Pulled the plug, it looked a little oily / fuzzy on one side and clean burn on the other side of plug. Cleaned it up and swapped plugs between 7 & 8. Code keeps coming up.
Have run it this way for a another couple hundred miles continuing to monitor codes, etc. # 8 misfire was only code until today. I also got "no DTC definition detected", whatever that means.
Meanwhile, valve cover still leaking so I decided to swap to another type of gasket. When I removed the upper this time there was even more oil in the upper intake. #8, 4, and 7 all had oil but everything else bone dry. #8 had about 2 teaspoons and 4 & 7 probably about 1 teaspoon in each. #8 plug kind of dark / oily for a plug with less than 500 total miles on it (200 since having cleaned it). See the pics.
So, where the hell is all of this oil coming from ?
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_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Fri Jul 08, 2016 8:11 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Riddle me this........new motor blues
You know this is going around full circle to a compression test. Good thing you didn't use P heads. Oh wait, you did.
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Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:26 pm |
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ZOSO
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Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:58 pm Posts: 3906 Location: Henderson, Co
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Re: Riddle me this........new motor blues
Comp and leak down tests will tell you alot.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:37 pm |
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RJLougee
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Re: Riddle me this........new motor blues
How is the PCV setup run? My thoughts are leaning toward some excess oil coming in from a weak PCV valve. Underlying cause of that........ HTH, Joe
_________________ '70 Bronco, MAF 5.0, NP435, D44/9", 4.10s, 33" MT/Rs, PS/PB '71 Bronco, HP D60, Hi-9, 5.38/ARBs, 101" WB, 408 Stroker, AOD, Atlas, 40" MT/Rs, PiMP EFI. '78 F150 SWB/Stepside/4WD, 351W/4R100/NP205, 35" KM2s, under const... '81 Coachman Caper XL MH, 4WD, EFI 460/ZF/BW1356, D44/Sterling, 4.10s/35s, under const... '83 Bronco, D60/Sterling, 5.13/ARBs, MAF EFI 351W/ZF/BW1356, 37" MT/Rs. '12 Buggy, HPD60, Hi-9, 4.10s, Explorer 5.0, Atlas 4-speed, my chassis, EB skins. And the latest project is a '99 Ranger Extra-Cab, custom frame/tube work, on 40s...
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Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:20 am |
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ZOSO
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Re: Riddle me this........new motor blues
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:28 am |
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Rox Crusher
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Joined: Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:36 pm Posts: 3980 Location: Roxborough Park, Colorado
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Re: Riddle me this........new motor blues
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:58 pm |
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RJLougee
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Re: Riddle me this........new motor blues
_________________ '70 Bronco, MAF 5.0, NP435, D44/9", 4.10s, 33" MT/Rs, PS/PB '71 Bronco, HP D60, Hi-9, 5.38/ARBs, 101" WB, 408 Stroker, AOD, Atlas, 40" MT/Rs, PiMP EFI. '78 F150 SWB/Stepside/4WD, 351W/4R100/NP205, 35" KM2s, under const... '81 Coachman Caper XL MH, 4WD, EFI 460/ZF/BW1356, D44/Sterling, 4.10s/35s, under const... '83 Bronco, D60/Sterling, 5.13/ARBs, MAF EFI 351W/ZF/BW1356, 37" MT/Rs. '12 Buggy, HPD60, Hi-9, 4.10s, Explorer 5.0, Atlas 4-speed, my chassis, EB skins. And the latest project is a '99 Ranger Extra-Cab, custom frame/tube work, on 40s...
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Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:31 pm |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Riddle me this........new motor blues
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:57 pm |
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ZOSO
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Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:58 pm Posts: 3906 Location: Henderson, Co
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Re: Riddle me this........new motor blues
What did you find?
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:32 pm |
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Rox Crusher
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Joined: Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:36 pm Posts: 3980 Location: Roxborough Park, Colorado
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Re: Riddle me this........new motor blues
We reconfigured the PCV routing as mentioned previously to allow the excess oil to drain back.
We also added a big baffle to the underside of the upper intake. This should help reduce the amount of oil being pulled up through the PCV to begin with.
Also, yesterday Garry did some additional tuning to counter an IAC code I kept getting.
We could see a slight miss and the left bank was running lean.
Whatever adjustments he made were perfect because it runs like a champ now !
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:22 pm |
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ZOSO
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Re: Riddle me this........new motor blues
What iac code? I kept throwing p1506 iac speed codes. Every down hill it tossed a code.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:07 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Riddle me this........new motor blues
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:35 pm |
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ZOSO
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Re: Riddle me this........new motor blues
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:45 pm |
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TOOLMAN
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Joined: Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:29 am Posts: 768 Location: The MHC
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Re: Riddle me this........new motor blues
_________________ Wilma - 71 1/2 Wagon; 3 1/2" WH lift, 1" BL, NP435, Chebby disc front, WH twin stick D20, EFI 302, Cool hood scoop, mucho cancer; purchased in 1990.
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Rox Crusher
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Joined: Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:36 pm Posts: 3980 Location: Roxborough Park, Colorado
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Re: Riddle me this........new motor blues
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:52 pm |
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TOOLMAN
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Re: Riddle me this........new motor blues
I'll try it...Cheap fix (if that does it!). Thanks!
_________________ Wilma - 71 1/2 Wagon; 3 1/2" WH lift, 1" BL, NP435, Chebby disc front, WH twin stick D20, EFI 302, Cool hood scoop, mucho cancer; purchased in 1990.
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