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Disc brakes....I'm sane! Sort of.
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akaFrankCastle
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Disc brakes....I'm sane! Sort of.
AA ordered the wrong wheel studs for me. No surprise there. Plus I'm waiting on my new brake lines to arrive. So I decided to mock everything up tonight to see if there were any more issue that would prevent me from finishing this install. And wouldn't you know it!!! While test fitting the calipers and pads, I ran in to a clearance issue between the inner pad and the rotor. Here's some snapshots. Spindle and backing plate mounted. Both from a 76 K10 4x4. Clearance between the rotor and the rear of the backing plate. Obvious lack of room for the pad. Even tight with the pad from the outside of the backing plate. So what am I missing here? I'm using the previously mentioned spindles and backing plates from a 76 K10 and rotors and hubs (new) for a 77 Bronco. Seems like there is a missing piece between the rear of the hub and the spindle that should be giving me the clearance needed to fit these pads.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:13 pm |
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JGZ
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
I think you have your backing plates clocked wrong.
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Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:40 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
Yes. They are clocked one hole off. Everything else looks and sounds right.
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Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:44 pm |
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JGZ
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
So there.
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Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:46 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
Clocked one hole couterclockwise. Still having clearance issues with the pad.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:04 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
Spindles, backing plates, pads and calipers are all from same vehicle with a D44? I think GM went with the corporate front axle half way through '76. Look at this pic and compare your old and new spindles. Drum is left, disk is right. http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~i6735189/spindles.jpg
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Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:13 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:29 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
Compare the length of old and new spindles.
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Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:35 pm |
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cobshane
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
Did you say 77 hub and rotors. I thought you need 78/79 bronco hubs and rotors
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Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:44 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:43 am |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:49 am |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
Those spindles aren't right. They look like drum spindles. The height of the area marked below should be similar to the height on the 3/4 ton spindle.
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Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:48 am |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
Awesome. Guess I need to hit the yard again.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:59 am |
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cobshane
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
So the 76-77 rotors are the same as the big broncos
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Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:12 pm |
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cobshane
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Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:16 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
Correct. Also, the bearings used on Ford 44s seem to be the same from 72 to 86, regardless of disc or drum. A37 would be the National kit number for an inner bearing and A35 for the outer bearing.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:34 pm |
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cobshane
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
Don't mind me im just along for the ride. So was the problem with the spindles. Were they pre pulled parts or somthing else
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Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:46 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
BTW, you can have the 3/4 ton spindles machined to accept the A37 bearing.
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Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:36 pm |
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Colorado75bronc
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
not to say that the chevy brake swap is a bad idea zack, but i would just do the 76-79 f-150 or 78-79 bronco knuckle out swap and get the inserts for the tie rods, i think its a much simpler way to go, ya its more expensive, but much better in the long run
_________________ 75' bronco, 302, carb'd for now, i'm gathering parts for efi, 3g alternator, saginaw pump, 4x4x2 box, fw hp44, fw 9", N.P. 435 w/ gearbanger shifter, twin stick'd dana 20, 2" BL, 5.5" wildhorses lift, and 35" km2's
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Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:06 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:32 pm |
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Colorado75bronc
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
i understand you're reasoning, lol, but on a side note, i've never had a problem with the ford setup, and i think my fords stop much better than most older chebby's i've driven
_________________ 75' bronco, 302, carb'd for now, i'm gathering parts for efi, 3g alternator, saginaw pump, 4x4x2 box, fw hp44, fw 9", N.P. 435 w/ gearbanger shifter, twin stick'd dana 20, 2" BL, 5.5" wildhorses lift, and 35" km2's
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Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:50 pm |
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BNC04
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
_________________ 75 D44/ARB/Disc PS. 86 5.0 Carbed- NP-435 yukon rear. 4.11 3.5 Susp lift Rampage top
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Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:29 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
Pretty good write up on the install. Thanks.
Unfortunately, my problem seems to persist. I did quite a bit of research in the Dana catalogs last night. I thought Viper might be right on my spindle appearing too much like my drum spindles. After about an hour of research I was able to conclude this is not the case. Dana used two spindles in the 70s Dana 44 for Chevy and Jeep applications. All of the Dana part numbers I was able to pull up, back to 71/72 for Chevy applications listed the same number for the spindle. 76.5 marked the end of the compatible spindle and the change to the thicker diameter "3/4 ton" spindle.
Right now I'm beginning to think my rotor is incorrect. Any chance one of you disc guys could take a measurement of the length between the flat surface where the hub marries with the rotor to the front face and the rotor?
Looking for the measurement indicated in the red circle below.
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_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:54 pm |
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cobshane
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
I don't think it can be the.rotors after the research I did unless they gave you the wrong rotors. I would look towards the hub. I am pulli.g a wheel right now.
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Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:42 pm |
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cobshane
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
I can't believe this has turned into so a nightmare for you.
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Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:51 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
Looks like right at 2".
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Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:52 pm |
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cobshane
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
1 1/2 inch
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Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:00 pm |
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cobshane
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
That's not including the hub
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Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:01 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Disc brake guys!!! Make me sane again!!!
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:02 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:12 pm |
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