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Went and did it this time- Cam is toast- cam suggestions?
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BNC04
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Went and did it this time- Cam is toast- cam suggestions?
Went for a drive this afternoon to get out of work mode and about 15 miles from home, lost all power. Roadside diagnosis is the distributor shaft was no longer turning. I had just replaced it last week to fix an intermittent timing issue due to slop in the shaft. It was replaced with a re manufactured one via Orielly. Got it towed home by Brother in law. Pulled dist and the gear is worn badly where it meshes. Looked at the cam gear through the dizzy hole and yep it is also very worn and thin where the gears mesh. The original dizzy gear was fine, no issues at all so either I did something wrong during the install or the replacement dizzy was defective in some way. Looks like I need to get in way past my comfort zone now and will probably take it somewhere to get fixed. What could have caused this? The engine was running very good, great idle, great pickup and no issues at all with the new dizzy until this. Errr frustrated.. Brett
_________________ 75 D44/ARB/Disc PS. 86 5.0 Carbed- NP-435 yukon rear. 4.11 3.5 Susp lift Rampage top
Last edited by BNC04 on Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:26 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:23 pm |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Went and did it this time- Cam is toast
Here is a shortcut solution viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1922
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:31 pm |
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Colorado75bronc
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Re: Went and did it this time- Cam is toast
i see you have a 5.0, is it a roller cam engine? if so and you put a distributor with an earlier distributor drive gear that is cast and not a steel drive gear as the roller cam requires, the gears will destroy each other
_________________ 75' bronco, 302, carb'd for now, i'm gathering parts for efi, 3g alternator, saginaw pump, 4x4x2 box, fw hp44, fw 9", N.P. 435 w/ gearbanger shifter, twin stick'd dana 20, 2" BL, 5.5" wildhorses lift, and 35" km2's
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Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:32 pm |
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BNC04
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Re: Went and did it this time- Cam is toast
_________________ 75 D44/ARB/Disc PS. 86 5.0 Carbed- NP-435 yukon rear. 4.11 3.5 Susp lift Rampage top
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Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:36 pm |
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BNC04
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Re: Went and did it this time- Cam is toast
_________________ 75 D44/ARB/Disc PS. 86 5.0 Carbed- NP-435 yukon rear. 4.11 3.5 Susp lift Rampage top
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Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:38 pm |
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BNC04
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Re: Went and did it this time- Cam is toast
_________________ 75 D44/ARB/Disc PS. 86 5.0 Carbed- NP-435 yukon rear. 4.11 3.5 Susp lift Rampage top
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Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:45 pm |
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BNC04
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Re: Went and did it this time- Cam is toast
I'm thinking by the time I get the parts, pay to have them installed. I could be looking at dropping Zilla's motor in for the same or cheaper.
I dunno,, my mind is still absorbing this and figuring out how to deal with it for the best long term solution and cost consideration.
_________________ 75 D44/ARB/Disc PS. 86 5.0 Carbed- NP-435 yukon rear. 4.11 3.5 Susp lift Rampage top
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Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:11 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Went and did it this time- Cam is toast
All that iron went somewhere. It'll take some life out of that 5.0.
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Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:43 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Went and did it this time- Cam is toast
Were it me, I would be thinking peace of mind. In my head that means that motor comes out and gets gone through meticulously until I am certain there is no shrapnel left inside. Whether you decide to drop a motor in there in the interim is up to you. I don't know if you rely on your Bronco as part of your commuter pool.
Think of this as an opportunity to build a very nice strong motor that will likely last you the life of the truck.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
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Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:49 pm |
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cobshane
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Re: Went and did it this time- Cam is toast
Just drain out the oil and force compressed air though the pcv hole, that oughta get er out! Well maybe not, but anyway sorry to hear about it, that sucks. You should definitely yank the engine.
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Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:40 pm |
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BNC04
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Re: Went and did it this time- Cam is toast
_________________ 75 D44/ARB/Disc PS. 86 5.0 Carbed- NP-435 yukon rear. 4.11 3.5 Susp lift Rampage top
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Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:26 am |
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BNC04
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Re: Went and did it this time- Cam is toast
Looking at a cam replacment as well as a engine flush. It currently has an http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/cam- ... =1044&sb=0215 lift on both exhaust and intake with .533 of lift and 270 duration. A Hydraulic roller Comp cams states it 1800 to 5000 rpm, Is there something else I should be looking at? I have an edelbrock performer rpm manifold on it and 1405 cab. I might go EFI in the future ( year or two at least) Thanks for any suggestions Brett
_________________ 75 D44/ARB/Disc PS. 86 5.0 Carbed- NP-435 yukon rear. 4.11 3.5 Susp lift Rampage top
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Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:21 am |
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GMAN
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Re: Went and did it this time- Cam is toast- cam suggestions
My Tired old motor I put a cam in and flushed it out .. Ran great for a couple years until I could get enough money to build a new one I have a Comp Cams High Energy 208 (I believe) Runs great great bottom end up to 5500 If you get a new cam or build a new motor get the 351 (Late Model) firing order so you can put EFI on in the future without any ECM mods good luck
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Wed Jun 15, 2011 2:11 pm |
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BNC04
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Re: Went and did it this time- Cam is toast- cam suggestions
Right now, I am running a performer RPM manifold and was thinking about changing to a regular performer manifold and changing the cam to edelbrock from Comp cams . Will this gain me much in low end power vs the RPM one I am running now or is it not worth the change and I should go with what I had in there originally. Performer manifold – http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-2121/?rtype=10Manifold Gasket - http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-7220/?rtype=10cam and lifters part number 2122 http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-2122/Do I need new springs if I change cams? Also will be getting water pump gasket, Timing chain cover gasket, Thermostat housing gasket and other front end parts I'd need.. Anything else I need if I go after changing the cam/manifold/lifters.. Thanks again for all your help Brett
_________________ 75 D44/ARB/Disc PS. 86 5.0 Carbed- NP-435 yukon rear. 4.11 3.5 Susp lift Rampage top
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Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:35 pm |
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Shawns Fords
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Re: Went and did it this time- Cam is toast- cam suggestions
Get a cam made just for you, no break in as it is done before install with lifters and in Colorado. http://www.camresearchcorp.com/index.phpsucks about your gear mesh problem.
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Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:12 pm |
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ZOSO
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Re: Went and did it this time- Cam is toast- cam suggestions
replace the timing chain while you have it apart. cheap insurance.
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