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One step forward, two steps back.
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akaFrankCastle
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Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:25 pm Posts: 4901 Images: 0 Location: Colorado Springs
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One step forward, two steps back.
So, I pretty much got my hydroboost issues figured out. Would love to take her out for a test drive and confirm that. Only one problem with that. The Bronco won't start. Ran down just about every inch of wiring to figure out what the issue was and came up with one conclusion: my wiring is bad. Can't ever recall picking up a wiring harness and having it nearly disintegrate in my hand before.
So, I'm in the market for a complete, new wiring harness and I need some recommendations. I'm leaning more towards the Centech harness right now, mostly due to price. Toying with the idea of EFI, down the road (maybe this winter) but it is a big IF for now. No real whacky additions on the truck. Pretty much a standard Bronco with a stereo, fog lamps, and 1-2 accessories.
Let's slug it out here. Painless versus Centech. Who will win my money?
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:02 pm |
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Rox Crusher
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Joined: Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:36 pm Posts: 3980 Location: Roxborough Park, Colorado
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Re: One step forward, two steps back.
I tend to go overboard............................so Painless would be my choice.
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:11 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: One step forward, two steps back.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:15 pm |
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Justin
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Re: One step forward, two steps back.
I did a Centech earlier this year. I'm really happy with it-my truck fired right up the first time I tried to start it and everything worked great. The instructions with the Painless are better and it has more empty circuits to wire stuff to. I think the Centech is better bang for the buck. The other major perk with the Centech is that it is already loomed. Saved me a ton of work. Finally, their customer service is really good. I called a couple of weeks ago when my headlights stopped working thinking it was the headlight switch. They stayed on the phone with me to walk me through diagnosing it, then sent me a new high beam switch for free even after I told them it was my extra-flexy floorboard that caused it to break. I offered to pay and they said no. All told, it probably took me 15 hours to install. If you do it, spend $30 on the special tool to crimp the connectors they use. Would have saved me at least an hour of fiddling around.
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Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:02 am |
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ZOSO
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Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:58 pm Posts: 3906 Location: Henderson, Co
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Re: One step forward, two steps back.
+1 for the centech kit. Installed it in my dads 74 and it was great. Working with the painless on chads I didn't like that it wasn't loomed. I do like all the extra circuits to it tho.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:12 am |
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Entourage
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Re: One step forward, two steps back.
I spent a lot of time looming my Painless. You can buy the $100.00 Painless loom kit but that puts it WAY more than the Centec. I have a H4 headlight harness, off road lights, stereo, and cigaratte lighter hooked up to mine - not sure what other circuits you would put in but there are still 4 or 5 open circuits. I just taped them off and will likely never use them again. My Painless came with my truck, but if I was buying new, it would be a Centec.
_________________ "I truly believe that good will outweigh evil, but there won't be peace on earth until the power of love overcomes the love of power" - Jimi Hendrix
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Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:01 am |
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sbolt19
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Re: One step forward, two steps back.
I put the Centech in about 11 years ago and it was a pain in the ass because the directions were vague. I hope that they have since updated them and tried to install the harness using the directions, because before, it was about 1/2 guesswork and 1/2 defined instruction. Past that, overall, it is a nice harness with straight forward harness setup. If you are going to do the EFI, don't worry about which company you go with, but I would get the RJM harness for the EFI. It is by far the nicest EFI harness out there.
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Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:08 am |
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Jesus_man
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Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:36 am Posts: 5984 Location: California
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Re: One step forward, two steps back.
Boy, new wiring harness almost demands you switch to EFI... Hate to spend money twice. I would think long and hard about going to EFI.
J.D.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:50 am |
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Booger
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Re: One step forward, two steps back.
_________________ Bob - Turning hydrocarbons into noise since 1970
Spiritual owner of the now Zoso mobile (1974 Bronco Ranger - EFI 351W-4R70W-ARB front and rear-STC softtop- High Country hood-3 1/2" WH lift- Cross inboard rear shock mnt- Duffs bumpers- Warn 8274- 33's- Cheby disc conversion)
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Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:22 pm |
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Justin
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Re: One step forward, two steps back.
Not sure when you did yours, but mine came with only weather-pak connectors.
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Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:29 pm |
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plumbdoctor
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Re: One step forward, two steps back.
IMO, the Centech is easier to install ( plus a bit cheaper )
_________________ Your sh!* is my bread and butter!
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Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:21 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:25 pm Posts: 4901 Images: 0 Location: Colorado Springs
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Re: One step forward, two steps back.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:17 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:36 am Posts: 5984 Location: California
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Re: One step forward, two steps back.
Maybe whomever you talk to about buying one, you might mention that EFI is in the future and hopefully they can make what you have expandable. Really, I am not good at wiring and have never installed a new harness. My bronco needs one bad, but am afraid I'll never get it running again! So I fix as I go along. That being said, I am not sure the differences between a carb'd harness and EFI and if you can expand one into the other?? Just assuming it can be done.
J.D.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:20 am |
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Justin
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Re: One step forward, two steps back.
Phil can probably do a better job of explaining this, but my understanding is that the wiring part of the EFI harness just taps into the existing harness in one or two locations. Shouldn't make much of a difference in a harness replacement.
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Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:38 am |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: One step forward, two steps back.
I'm thinking pretty seriously about picking up a harness this month or early next. If anyone else is potentially in the market, by all means chime in here. Enough buyers and we might be able to pull a discounted price with a mass buy.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:43 am |
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haulasswithclass
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Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2010 4:03 pm Posts: 7
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Re: One step forward, two steps back.
maybe intrested in a harness let me know
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Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:07 am |
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Dukietown
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Re: One step forward, two steps back.
May be interested as well, especially if we set up a tech day to go through an install. Will need to do some research on how to tie it in to my TBI setup first.
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Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:50 am |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: One step forward, two steps back.
Too bad my wiring didn't go wonky on me last month. Painless had a 100.00 rebate going on.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:43 pm |
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