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Different Tranny or Gears
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Desert Rider
Joined: Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:02 pm Posts: 4 Location: Albuquerque's North Valley
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Different Tranny or Gears
I don't get on this forum very often, so forgive me if I say something stupid..That said, here's the deal. I have a 76 bronco, with 3.50 gears, 3 speed manual transmission on the column, a Wild Horses 3.5" lift, and 33" BFGs. With the 3.50 gears, my rig has a little trouble taking off from a dead start, and I am considering switching to lower gears. Keep in mind that I do 95% on the street, and 5% offroad/hunting. I called all the big bronco parts guys (WH, Tom's, Jeff's, B Hut, Jeff's, BC Bronco, Driven, etc.) to get their opinion. Most said, to help fix my problem and save my tranny, go to 4.10s. Some said 3.92s would also work better for the street. Driven said don't bother with swithing gears; instead, consider swapping out transmissions first, to say a NV3550 4-speed. He further said that swithing gears first is like "buying a saddle before you buy the horse". What are your thoughts?
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Tue May 29, 2012 4:42 pm |
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Entourage
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Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:45 pm Posts: 3275 Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Re: Different Tranny or Gears
I have the same setup - C4, 33's and 3.50 gears, and the combo is slow off the line. Personally, I would keep the automatic and change the gearing. I love my automatic.
_________________ "I truly believe that good will outweigh evil, but there won't be peace on earth until the power of love overcomes the love of power" - Jimi Hendrix
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Tue May 29, 2012 4:59 pm |
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ZOSO
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Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:58 pm Posts: 3906 Location: Henderson, Co
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Re: Different Tranny or Gears
The 3550 swap would be ideal if you drive a lot of highway. If it was me and money wasn't an object I'd go with the 4.10s and 3550. That combo would give you plenty of low end and with the overdrive it will allow a nice cruiser down the highway.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
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Tue May 29, 2012 5:31 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:25 pm Posts: 4901 Images: 0 Location: Colorado Springs
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Re: Different Tranny or Gears
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Tue May 29, 2012 9:01 pm |
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airbur
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Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:39 am Posts: 1721 Images: 0 Location: Castle Pines, CO
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Different Tranny or Gears
I have your same setup but with 35s and 4.10s. I'm very happy with it and I've been up to 80 on the freeway with no issues.
If you swap out to any of the other manuals, it's going to drive much more like a truck....maybe you don't mind but I didn't want that. Also, you'll have to make a big hole in your floor up by the firewall for the shifter...I didn't want that either.
Have fun either way!
_________________ Sold: 1970 w/427W Injected Stroker
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Tue May 29, 2012 11:00 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:25 pm Posts: 4901 Images: 0 Location: Colorado Springs
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Different Tranny or Gears
75mph speed limit on I-25: Me: 4.10's with 33" tires and stock 3 speed = 3100-ish RPM 4:10's with 35" tires and stock 3 speed = 2900-ish RPM Desert: 3:50's with 33" tires and stock 3 speed = 2600-ish RPM
None are really that great and I have it the worst when it comes to fuel economy at that speed. Additionally, I personally do not like running over 2000 RPM for extended periods of time. Maybe I'm just getting old or I don't like wasting gas. Plus, the more people I force to pass me on the interstate, the more people I am giving the privilege of checking out a fine example of FoMoCo craftsmanship.
Now, the NV3550 with 3.50's and 33" tires = 1950 RPM
And 4.10's and 33's = 2286 RPM
Winner on the highway: NV3550. And why? Because 5 speeds beats the crap out of three.
Off the line ratios: NV3550/4.10/33= 16.44:1 NV3550/3.50/33= 14.04:1 Stock 3 speed/4.10/33/35= 12.26:1 Stock 3 speed/3.50/33= 10.46:1
Yup. NV3550 wins again. Especially when the 4.10s are added.
Adding the 4.10s without the NV does give Desert a little bit of a boost off the line now, but at the cost of some RPMs on the highway.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed May 30, 2012 12:22 am |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Different Tranny or Gears
The manual 5 speed and 4 speed auto transmissions are double-edged swords. Sure, they have deeper first gears for better accelleration off the line but they also have steep overdrive gears which will require axle gearing in the 4.88 range in order to make that gear useful (unless you like 28" tires). That makes the overdrive swap a lot more expensive than it initially seems. It will never pay for itself in fuel savings either. In my opinion, the best benefit to them is the lower non-overdrive gearing which combined with lower axle gearing gives you a lot more capability off road and at low speed. Kinda sounds like what you're looking for. If the expense is too great for your tastes just put some mildly lower axle gears in and call it good.
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Wed May 30, 2012 12:24 am |
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Rox Crusher
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Joined: Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:36 pm Posts: 3980 Location: Roxborough Park, Colorado
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Re: Different Tranny or Gears
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Wed May 30, 2012 6:47 am |
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Jesus_man
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Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:36 am Posts: 5984 Location: California
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Re: Different Tranny or Gears
There are gear calculators out there. You want your final highway/rpms etc to be as close to stock as you can. Decide what size tires you will likely have for a long time and work your way backwards. Play with the ratios of different tranny's and axle gears to see what it takes to get there. But keep in mind that with larger tires comes more rolling resistance and more power required to turn them, so might want to go with slightly deeper gearing than stock to compensate.
The cheapest is probably axle gears.
I've never done the research for a bronco, but there are also under and over-drive units you bolt in front of your tranny. Not sure there is one for your application, but it may be worth checking into. You'll want it to be able to shift on the fly.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Wed May 30, 2012 9:53 am |
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Justin
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Joined: Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:04 am Posts: 6198 Images: 0 Location: Lakewood
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Re: Different Tranny or Gears
x2 on the 3550 and 4.10s, if you've got the money. That said, if I were in your shoes I'd probably stick with the 3 speed (I like the column shifters) and lower gears, maybe with limited slip as long as the diffs have to be set up anyway. 3.92 would probably be great for a rig that is almost street-only, with 4.10s being better if you're going to do some wheeling. I've got the NP435 Frank mentioned in my truck and I love it, but it isn't a super friendly transmission. I like it because they're simple and bomb-proof and my Bronco is more trail oriented than yours. Not so great for a street truck because first gear isn't synchronized, which means you get to learn to double clutch if you want to use it on a regular basis. It would give you a first gear that is almost twice as low as stock and allow you to keep your 3.5s for freeway use.
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