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Explorer rear disk question with a Mopar twist
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Gunnibronco
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Explorer rear disk question with a Mopar twist
So I'm going to try to use my 74 Bronco's rear end in my 39 Plymouth. I'd like to convert to disk brakes, before I put it under the car. I was thinking the Explorer swap would work out well. My axle has the "medium duty" flange, and 10" brakes, so the Explorer stuff will bolt right up, right? ford 9 inch axle ends.JPG Axle Chart.jpg
I think my axles would be right as well, but I don't think I'll be using them. I need the lug pattern to be 5x4.5" to match the Plymouth pattern. And my old axles are not in great shape, one has been redi-sleeved and I'm surprised the other one isn't leaking. So I figure I'd just buy new axles that match my Bronco's measurements, except use the 5x4.5" lug pattern. And I get to skip redrilling the Explorer rotors, since they are 5x4.5".
What other axle differences from the 74 Bronco specs would need changed to fit the Explorer disks? I haven't ever seen the Explorer parts so I can't visualize it. I was reading up last night on CB.com but couldn't find a real good description of what the conversion involves. I think the axle ends need modified to fit inside the Explorer disks, but I couldn't refind that info when I went looking.
Since it would be frowned upon, I won't put my EFI 302 into the Plymouth (it did cross my mind), but I'm going to sneak a little FoMoCo into that Mopar, hopefully with my 9".
I am also going to sneak some Mopar into my Bronco, anyone think this will make a cool parking brake handle? Shhhhhhhh, don't tell any of the guys at the HAMB, or P15 boards, they'll revoke my membership. P1010484.JPG
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_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:25 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Explorer rear disk question with a Mopar twist
Wish I could help on the Explorer brake stuff, but I'm clueless and content with remaining ignorant and running rear drums.
On the E brake side of the house, absolutely. I think those would look cool. I'm planning to use an early 60s F100 T style E brake handle. It bolts up to the underside of the dash and is the pull/twist style of lock rather than the foot pedal.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:21 pm |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Explorer rear disk question with a Mopar twist
I'm happy with my drums on my Bronco. I don't plan on doing anything to them, only started reading this because the hot rod will get disks, all around. I can't find a real write up describing the process anywhere.
The Explorer rear disks are cool because they have an integrated parking brake. But if you don't have the right axles & flanges, it gets complicated. I happen to have the right rear end & want to keep the stock Explorer lug pattern, so it *should* be simple. Plus I expected to replace my axles, so I should be able to order a new set to suit. I just need to decide if I upgrade to 31 spline axles and get a new diff, or stay with upgraded 28 spline and keep my Detriot Locker.
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:41 pm |
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ZOSO
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Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:58 pm Posts: 3906 Location: Henderson, Co
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Re: Explorer rear disk question with a Mopar twist
If you want to go to 31 spline I have a set of axles out of chads Bronco that are 5x4.5
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:38 pm |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Explorer rear disk question with a Mopar twist
I'd be interested. The backspacing would have to be correct to accept the Explorer brakes. Do you know what year they were built for? I think they need to be made for 2"+ wide drum brakes.
If the specs work out, I'll have a 28 spline Detroit locker for sale/swap, if you were interested.
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:28 pm |
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ZOSO
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Re: Explorer rear disk question with a Mopar twist
I'm not sure on the axles. I know they came out of chads bronco that had a currie rear disc conversion. I'll take some measurements of them tomorrow and let you know.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:30 pm |
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Gunnibronco
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Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:07 pm Posts: 4074 Location: Gardnerville, NV
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Re: Explorer rear disk question with a Mopar twist
Thanks, I think the most important measurements will be the overall length and the brake backspacing- outside of axle flange to wheel bearing surface/backing plate.
If they aren't right, it looks like a better way for me to go is to use a whole 95-01 Explorer 5.0 rear end, they are wider than the EB rear end. I'd trade my 9" w/Detriot Locker and 4.11s for an Explorer rear end.
I also read that the 4x4 Explorer front brakes can be bolted to the Plymouth too. So I'm going to start looking into that.
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:10 pm |
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ZOSO
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Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:58 pm Posts: 3906 Location: Henderson, Co
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Re: Explorer rear disk question with a Mopar twist
Sorry I forgot to measure these. I'm out of town till Thursday so I'll do it then.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:14 pm |
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Gunnibronco
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Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:07 pm Posts: 4074 Location: Gardnerville, NV
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Re: Explorer rear disk question with a Mopar twist
Cool, no hurry, honestly I forgot too.
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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