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Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
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Eck
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Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
How do I get these stupid things out?!
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_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:20 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
Dose it with PB Blaster and let it soak overnight. Maybe hit it again before you go to bed and again in the morning.
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Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:37 pm |
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crawlercreations
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Re: Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
Weld a nut to them and thread it out while it is still hot. Works for me every time. I use that method at least 5 times a week and have yet to fail in thousands of extractions.
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Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:25 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
Dang, that's a good idea.
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Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:31 pm |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
Heat is your friend. Welding the nut on is a cool idea, gives you a place to grab too. For small bolts, or if you are trying to keep the heat localized, I use a mini torch like this (just the first Google image, not a recomendation where to buy): http://www.denlorstools.com/home/dt1/pa ... _mini.htmlI just stripped a bunch of 1939 Plymouth parts and used my propane plumber's torch a lot. Since there was little chance of damaging other parts, I just hammered the bolts with fire. Get things red hot. I only broke a couple 75 year old 1/4-20 bolts, out of dozens of stuck bolts. Just remember those bolts don't cool off when they hit the ground. It seems simple enough, but its a lesson I keep having to learn.
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:04 am |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
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Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:30 am |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:44 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:48 pm |
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Flatheadpopup
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Re: Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
For those phillips head fender screws I have had good luck with an impact screwdriver and a good dose of pb blaster. The vibration/shock really seams to help break them loose. The hinge bolts definitely respond best to lots of heat. Good luck with your project.
_________________ 67 Bronco in progress 2.5 lift, 351w, toploader, 4.11s and 33's 65 Mustang...also in progress.
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Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:39 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
I just remembered that I've got the screwdriver that actually fits those. Makes a huge difference. A couple of smacks on the end of that with a big hammer will do wonders. I'll try to remember to throw it in with the spot welding bit I owe ya.
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Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:10 am |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
I have a large #3 or #4 philips that I welded a nut to ( about 1/2 way up the shaft), so you can put a 3/4" wrench on it and really crank on it. Not a bad "upgrade" to make to Justin's, if needed.
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:50 am |
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Justin
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Re: Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
This thread is apparently made of good ideas.
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Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:57 am |
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Eck
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Re: Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
What's even better about all these ideas is it gives me so many reasons to play with my new welding machine! Thanks for the suggestions guys!
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:08 am |
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PaulW
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Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:30 am |
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Eck
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Re: Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
So I am about to throw every tool I have across the garage. So far I have tried the following....
Weld a nut. My welding skills aren't very good and I could not seem to get a good weld to get a nut to actually stick to the screw head.
PB Blaster - soaked it and sprayed them but honestly, not sure how this is suppose to work considering you can't really get to the screw threads-- I also tried to hammer the crap out of it with a screwdriver and hammer.
I have finally tried to drill into it with a hammer drill just to get the darn things out. Bought a cobalt drill bit and it is getting me nowhere. All six screws are completely rusted on and I have NO IDEA what to do at this point.
Any more suggestions?
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:22 pm |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
Not sure you need a hammer drill, is the cobalt bit for metal?
Option 1: Lots of heat & vice grips?
Option 2: Grind the head off the screws without grinding the sheet metal. You'll still need to get the threaded part of the bolt out later. I'd only do this as a last resort.
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:36 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
Vice grips wont't work because it is the rounded phillips head screw driver that are on the door panels. I have had PLENTY of bolts that I am sure were just as rusted that I could break lose. I tried to heat it up and short of starting the sheet metal around it on fire (which has happened already)- nothing is breaking it lose and now the threads on the screw have very little left to grip.
The bit is for metal and I am surprised it is not working better than it is. I have tried both hammer and regular drill options. The problem is that these things are so rusted, that they have essentially welded themselves to the surrounding metal. I have thought about cutting the heads off and then I guess I will eventually have to still drill the screws out at that point.
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:49 pm |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
I think your best bet is still welding something to the screw head and using a wrench.
How are you grounding the welder?
Clean up the screw head really good (grind all the paint& junk off). Take a bolt, and weld the bolt head to the screw head. Clamp the welder's ground to the bolt's threads. That will give a better ground than trying to ground to the Bronco.
You should practice doing a little welding to similar metals, then do your truck. You need to set the heat & wire right before trying it for real.
You might end up breaking the heads off the screws if they are that rusted.
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:13 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
Not sure what my calendar for this week is looking like, but I might be able to swing by one day after work and see if I can help you get it out. What's your availability look like?
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Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:22 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
Gunni- if you look at the picture in the first post from this thread-- there is no way to clamp on to any part of the screw to get a good ground. I am thinking that I may try an impact screwdriver and if that won't work, I will probably cut the heads off the screws and then should be able to punch the remaining part out since they are being held by the square clamps that grab ahold of the sheet metal.
Justin- I am leaving town Tuesday night for the rest of the week. Should be around a bit this coming weekend though. I will probably go to the breakfast Saturday but may not head out for the ride afterwards.
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:10 pm |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
Instead of trying to weld a nut to the screw head, weld a bolt to the screw, head to head. Clamp the ground to the bolt you are welding, not the screw head.
Sorry maybe I'm not getting my point across.
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:14 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:00 am |
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Eck
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Re: Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
Justin brought his welding hands over and we were able to get all of them off (sorta). I actually used the pnematic impact wrench to get 2 of them. We welded onto the remaining 4 and got 2 of them completely out, and 2 of them the heads broke loose of the screw. One of them is where I am replacing the door post so it doesn't matter... the other one I may have to drill out but will wait to see if that door post is rusted on the back side and needs to be replaced as well. Thanks for all the suggestions and a big thanks to Justin for lending a hand. I had pulled all my own hair out and was starting to pull the dog's hair out!
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:20 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Rusty a$$ screw extraction?
Glad we got it done! It was nice to play with a welder while I'm still shopping for one.
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:42 am |
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