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Serpentine front dress discussion
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Woodscaper
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serpentine front dress discussion
Anything special about swapping pulley to the stock v-belt on these alternators ?
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Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:25 pm |
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Eck
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Re: 3G wiring
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:44 pm |
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Woodscaper
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Serpentine front dress discussion
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Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:53 pm |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: 3G wiring
They should be the same. You'll probably want to figure a double V-belt set up. The higher amperage comes with more drag on the belts. Belt squeal should be expected, especially on start up, even with a double v-belt.
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:37 pm |
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Woodscaper
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Re: 3G wiring
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Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:49 pm |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: 3G wiring
Manufacturers switched to serps when they switched to high amp alternators to deal with the increased power consumption by ECUs and EFI.
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:53 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: 3G wiring
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:56 pm |
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Woodscaper
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Re: 3G wiring
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Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:13 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: 3G wiring
To be careful, just pull everything from the fan back to the driveshafts. Lol
I have a list somewhere. But I'm sure someone will beat me to posting.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:03 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: 3G wiring
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:11 pm |
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Woodscaper
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Re: 3G wiring
Are you kidding me!!! My power steering pump has to go! And a new water pump...Damn man. Better start a new thread (or move half of this one) lol.
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Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:41 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: 3G wiring
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:55 pm |
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Woodscaper
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Re: 3G wiring
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Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:58 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Serpentine front dress discussion
Got it. In your case, you'll either want a serpentine front dress from a van, or maybe the van PS pump bracket (they used Saginaw pumps) will work with an explorer dress. Don't know if it will work between the two though.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:02 pm |
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Woodscaper
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Re: Serpentine front dress discussion
Well I will need to go do some digging at the pull yard. Thanks Zach.
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akaFrankCastle
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Serpentine front dress discussion
Yup.
I see fewer vans here with 5.0s than 5.8s. Explorers run about 3-4 a month, maybe.
I'm going to give the van set up a go on my 5.8.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:11 pm |
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Woodscaper
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Re: Serpentine front dress discussion
Any years better than others??
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Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:12 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Serpentine front dress discussion
I really couldn't say for 5.0s. For the 5.8s anything with a "F4TE" part number prefix is supposed to work.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:27 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Serpentine front dress discussion
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Serpentine front dress discussion
The Explorer serp set up is most desirable because it is short, and fits behind our radiators the easiest. Wild Horses makes a bracket to use the Saginaw pump with the Explorer serp.
Truck serps are a little longer, but it looks like most have made it fit. Trucks used a PS pump that are known to be shitty. You can use a PS bracket from a van (5.0 or 5.8- I think) that fits the Saginaw pump, to the truck serp. You can search this on CB.com and come up with a few threads.
All these serp set ups came from trucks with EFI, so all used electric fuel pumps. The timing chain covers will not accept a mechanical fuel pump. Keep that in mind.
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Woodscaper
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Re: Serpentine front dress discussion
It must be my lucky day. I went to the pull and pay and scored a serp set up. I have to go back for the timing cover and balancer tho, I did not have an impact or a socket big enough.
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Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:28 pm |
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Kinder
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Serpentine front dress discussion
Be very careful with the timing cover, top two bolt corrode easily and will break off in the heads. Balancer puller is needed, also 3 very long metric bolts, I can't remember their size, maybe 8 or 10?
_________________ Best to Date MPG: 26.6
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Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:31 pm |
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Woodscaper
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Moab Mike
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Re: Serpentine front dress discussion
Jeff and I are going Sunday (Father's Day). Last year everything was half price except for admission.
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Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:29 am |
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Justin
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Re: Serpentine front dress discussion
Which one are you going to and do you want company? I might be interested.
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Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:31 am |
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Woodscaper
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Re: 3G wiring
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Serpentine front dress discussion
What you need is a tech article. http://classicbroncos.com/forums/showth ... p?t=158868Use the Lee adapter only for the PS pump.
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Fri Jun 13, 2014 9:44 pm |
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Woodscaper
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Re: Serpentine front dress discussion
Thank you Phil, that's very helpful. I do have one question, has anybody had a balancer rebalaced? Is it cheaper to buy the aftermarket balancer or have one machined ?? If machined than a referral for a shop that will do it in under a week turnaround? Or do it locally at least?
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Moab Mike
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Viperwolf1
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