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ZOSO
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Re: Here we go again...
Those are the same style marks I had on my 460 when the rockers rubbed the valve covers. I had to go to a "tall" valve cover to clear mine.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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landshark
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They are definitely rubbing. I suggested doubling up gaskets and do a short test to see if the noise goes away. If it does then he would know and could grind out the inside valve covers or get another taller set.
I think I remember this being an issue with the bronco script covers on efi engines from cb.com? I think I considered them, read about it and ended up going with ford powered mustang efi covers off eBay.
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:45 am |
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landshark
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These are similar to the ones I picked up but found my used http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.vi ... 1614382170NEW OEM Ford Racing Mustang Black Satin Valve Covers M6000J302R EFI SBF 302 351
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Eck
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Re: Here we go again...
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:24 am |
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landshark
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Re: Here we go again...
they were probably $60 used ;)
i know they were way less than those posted, i think you have a good plan and it'll work out
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:31 am |
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Eck
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Re: Here we go again...
So it does not really appear that the rockers are making contact with the valve covers. I sort of feel as though I may have an exhaust leak making the noise. I took it around the block and I have very little power when I push hard on the skinny pedal. It also has a low throaty bog sound to it. It also seems like when I go from very little gas to pushing hard on it, there is a lull and almost like an air bubble it jumps over then accelerates. I have tightened down all of the header bolts, collector bolts and upper intake bolts.
I am just not good at diagnosing this stuff on my own. I have no experience and don't want to over analyze stuff unnecessarily. Can exhaust shops easily diagnose that type of thing? Any other thoughts from the experts out there?
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:20 pm |
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landshark
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Re: Here we go again...
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Here we go again...
But I don't think a leaking header gasket would cause the performance issue you describe
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:56 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Here we go again...
EFI Guy to the rescue. In a short time he was able to help me determine that the roll pin on the cam sensor gear had sheared off and so it wasn't spinning- hence no oil pressure with the cam synchro installed. The good news is I wasn't . The ok news is that it should hopefully be an easy fix. The undetermined news is whether the short time of driving it without active oil pressure did any real damage. The rockers are all still wet so it didn't run dry or anything....
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Here we go again...
How long do you suppose it was sheared off for?
Any idea what caused the shear?
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:42 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Here we go again...
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:53 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:35 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Here we go again...
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:46 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Here we go again...
I don't know. Did you ever post pictures of it?
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Eck
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Re: Here we go again...
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:52 pm |
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landshark
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Re: Here we go again...
What the heck would cause it to shear? That's kind of never heard of gat happening. But glad you found it.
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:58 pm |
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ZOSO
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Re: Here we go again...
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Kinder
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Re: Here we go again...
I'm still suspicious of the tow.
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Here we go again...
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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EFI Guy
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Re: Here we go again...
I suspect the roll pin sheared because it did not go all the way through the gear, all of the load was placed on one end.
I'm not sure where I came up with the "Melonized Iron" term when researching it a while back, but this is from the engineering doc for the 3.8 sensor:
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Sat Mar 14, 2015 10:56 am |
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Eck
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Re: Here we go again...
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:22 am |
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Eck
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Re: Here we go again...
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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EFI Guy
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Here we go again...
I would guess that the pin broke as a result of a sudden stop or change in direction.
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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horseplay
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Re: Here we go again...
high pressure oil pumps can cause early fatigue in cam gears. I've never seen one shear the pin.
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Eck
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Re: Here we go again...
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Here we go again...
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Eck
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Re: Here we go again...
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Here we go again...
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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mickphatmac
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_________________ 1968 3.5" Lift on 31's Front serpentine belt ViperBuilt 4x4x2 PS C4 '66 Speedo '66 Horn Button- STROPPE goodies: Steering Wheel, Roll Bar, Cactus Smasher SOLD :(1972 Explorer Sport - '66 Eyebrow Grill - '66 Speedometer - Stroppe Steering Wheel - Stroppe RollBar - ViperBuilt C4
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