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Moab Mike
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Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:59 pm Posts: 1940 Location: Witness Protection Program
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Thinking About Lockers
In the near future I will be purchasing lockers for the 74' build. I have questions about what is the best lockers to buy. I want selectable and 100% lock up lockers. With that said I am leaning hard towards ARB's but this option would require (to my knowledge) stepping up to 31 spline axles and a compressor for a total cost of approximately $2,500. I would like to hear your experiences with other brands regarding reliability, pricing and ease of installation. I will most likely go with ARB but still want to entertain other options.
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Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:23 pm |
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Kinder
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
Are you keeping the 9" rear? If so I believe ARB is your only option for that.
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Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:23 pm |
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Moab Mike
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
Yes keeping the 9". WH's has the 31 spline axles for $250 plus shipping or Viperwolf1 can deliver on his next trip back.
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Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:16 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
I don't know how much cheaper this would be, but you could snag some full width stock Ford 31 spline axles and have them cut down and re-splined locally. They're all over the place in junkyards. If you can give me some axle length measurements I can check the length on one of my spares and see how much would need to be taken off. I'm not aware of any selectable locker for the 9" other than ARB. I'm a big fan of selectables since I like to drive my rig on the street a decent amount.
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Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:21 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
I'm rebuilding my 9" and need all of the parts including the ARB components if we want to try to strike a mass buy deal of 2!
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Sat Apr 11, 2015 10:46 pm |
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trei75bronco
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
I've heard much better reviews on the zip locker by Yukon. No offense to the arb fans but every time I ha been wheeling with a rig with arb lockers there is a issue. There is something not working on them. Plus Yukon has a stupid good warranty. http://www.ringpinion.com/b2c/ProductDe ... rodID=8137
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Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:52 am |
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cravenbronco
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
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Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:10 am |
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horseplay
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
In order to get a real deal from ARB the break point was 5 or more units. They could be mix and match. Let me know if you guy's are serious and I'll see what we can get for deals.
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Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:20 am |
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trei75bronco
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
I would upgrade your lines to the stainless Steel ones. I was talking to a koh racer who ended up losing his arb lockers from inferior lines.
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Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:24 am |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:39 am |
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Moab Mike
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
June would be ideal for me too and I am in the market for a front and rear. FYI WH's has but two and get a free compressor right now.
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Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:10 pm |
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Dukietown
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
I'd be interested to see what the deal is as well. I currently have Detroit rear and ARB front and would like to swap out the Detroit to go selectable.
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Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:45 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:43 am |
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ZOSO
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Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:58 pm Posts: 3906 Location: Henderson, Co
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
I sure wish auburn would build the Ected for the 9". That is a killer way to go. A LS with full locker. I believe JT is running one in the front of his bronco.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:02 am |
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ManTruck
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
_________________ Owned my 1972 since 1985
Canon City, Co
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Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:11 am |
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BroncoCrawler
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Joined: Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:21 am Posts: 90 Location: Wheat Ridge, CO
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
Not to start a war but the reliability of an ARB depends entirely on the setup. Carrier bearing preload, oring installation, copper air line routing and blue air line routing will either make or break an ARB. unfortunately most gear guys are paid flat rate and don't take the time necessary to make sure its done right. I've never had a problem with any of the ARB's I've installed but that's just me.
That being said im about to order 3 ARB's myself (2 for my bronco and 1 for a customer), and am curious about the discount. I already get them a little cheaper through my shop but if someone else is ready to go in the next week or so maybe we can get a better price.
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Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:33 pm |
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ZOSO
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:22 pm |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:08 pm |
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BroncoCrawler
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
As a side note also ARB has absolutely phenomenal customer service and also great parts support. You ever try buying an individual part for a Detroit or a an elocker? ARB is not problem even their old style lockers are fully supported. I used to be a Detroit diehard fan.... Then I owned a rig with an ARB and won't ever look back.
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Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:31 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
I will buy that proper and precise installation of an ARB could yield good results, but with the air line, compressor, etc I think it complicates things, which is something you don't want IMO. If you plan to do any snow bashing, you really have to watch that air line. I'd like to know what other selectable lockers are available for the 9".
I do prefer my spool over say a detroit only because it's much more predicable. With a detroit you get "torque steer" on the highway when accelerating hard or decelerating. And that can get hairy in a lifted short wheel base rig. With the spool, it puts the same torque to each wheel all the time. It is a little harder on tires tho, but again, it's simple and a great solution for a mostly trail truck. For something driven more often...yeah that's tough.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:16 am |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:12 pm |
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horseplay
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
I'll try and get some real $$ amounts together as soon as my rep gets back from vacation on 27th of April.
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Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:35 pm |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
I might be in for a one as a back up / spare
Cuz apparently mine are gonna blow up soon
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:52 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
It's amazing that a company that is so well respected in the off-road community has terrible products that never work.
With that said- I'm in for one for the 9". I'm in no hurry and can be part of a mass buy whenever if it is the right deal.
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:17 pm |
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sykanr0ng
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Joined: Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:46 am Posts: 405 Location: Greeley, CO
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
If the company (TFS) that made the Heep Rubicon TJ air locker would sell them on the aftermarket I would be interested.
A gear type limited slip like a TrueTrac when unlocked.
Clutches wear out, and require special additives to the oil.
_________________ "You say overkill like it's a bad thing."
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Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:32 am |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
Maybe it's the "bad news travels fast" phenomena. But I personally know more people who have had trouble with their ARB locker than those that don't. Just get it installed correctly and carefully route your lines and secure them for the best possible option for success.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:11 am |
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sykanr0ng
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
_________________ "You say overkill like it's a bad thing."
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Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:48 am |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
Due to new federal regulations I'm out of the group buy. Sorry.
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:54 am |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Thinking About Lockers
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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