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Wish me luck. aka The Hydroboost install.
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akaFrankCastle
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Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:25 pm Posts: 4901 Images: 0 Location: Colorado Springs
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Wish me luck. aka The Hydroboost install.
I'm headed out to the garage now to start tearing in to a hydroboost install. Hopefully I have everything I need on hand. If not, the wife will be upset to see her parking spot occupied when she gets home.
I'll be sure and snap lots of pics.
Any lookie-loos who are interested in seeing me break stuff, feel free to stop on by. Address is in the Members thread.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:07 pm |
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Justin
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Joined: Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:04 am Posts: 6198 Images: 0 Location: Lakewood
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Re: Wish me luck. aka The Hydroboost install.
Good luck. I'll appreciate any pics/ideas you have as I'm hoping to do one after I get PS put in.
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Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:32 pm |
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777mechanic
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:00 pm Posts: 252
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Re: Wish me luck. aka The Hydroboost install.
if you read all the articles on cb you should be set . i pulled pics and used them also the only problem i had was the special fitting on pump . i also went on trak and bought the fittings and lines and made my own. but good luck
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Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:28 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:25 pm Posts: 4901 Images: 0 Location: Colorado Springs
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Re: Wish me luck. aka The Hydroboost install.
Hydroboost 1. Me 0.
Pump fitting shot me in the foot. Luckily I had only taken the old pump off. Everything is bolted back together and the Bronco is on the curb. I did take quite a few pics so far. Many more to come. Should be back off and running tomorrow night after I stop by Napa on my way home.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Sun Jan 30, 2011 9:48 pm |
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Entourage
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Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:45 pm Posts: 3275 Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Re: Wish me luck. aka The Hydroboost install.
Awesome Project Punisher. I am assuming you went with the Astro Hydroboost or did you go with the Cobra? Are you using an angle bracket? This is on my to do list this Spring so I look forward to your pics and advice.
_________________ "I truly believe that good will outweigh evil, but there won't be peace on earth until the power of love overcomes the love of power" - Jimi Hendrix
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Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:40 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:25 pm Posts: 4901 Images: 0 Location: Colorado Springs
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Re: Wish me luck. aka The Hydroboost install.
Neither. Pulled a complete system from a Lincoln. No angle bracket. I'm still running the 302 and not pushing EFI yet, so clearance should not be an issue.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:51 pm |
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Entourage
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Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:45 pm Posts: 3275 Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Re: Wish me luck. aka The Hydroboost install.
Sweet. I have not ready anything about the Lincoln install so I am excited you are doing it. I know I need to do this add but I am still trying to get a Cobra HydroBooster for around $100.00 on eBay. I like the way they do not need a $130.00 Angle Bracket.
_________________ "I truly believe that good will outweigh evil, but there won't be peace on earth until the power of love overcomes the love of power" - Jimi Hendrix
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Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:49 am |
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sbolt19
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Re: Wish me luck. aka The Hydroboost install.
I know you have already started it Zack, but for those of you who are looking to try it out or see what it entails, this is a writeup that I did several years ago on another site (Not CB.com). The costs have probably changed a little bit, but it gives you an idea. You can also use the same instructions for pretty much any HB system out there.
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This is a complete walk through for a hydro-boost installation on an early (66-77) Bronco with power steering. I will try to be as detailed as possible, but if anyone has questions, please feel free to ask me. I did this installation over the past couple of days and it is fresh in my mind, so I won't leave anything out. I also have the power steering unit that was originally on a 73-75 Bronco, but the same directions should be able to be used for any PS set up. I used a 1990 Chevy Astro Van as my donor vehicle. The parts I took were the hydro-boost unit, master cylinder, proportioning valve, steel lines between the master cylinder & proportioning valve, and both high pressure hoses attached to the hydro-boost unit.
Car & Misc. Parts Needed:
Astro Van Hydro-Boost Unit, 90-94 (HB) Astro Van Master Cylinder, same years (MC) Astro Van High Pressure Supply Hose (from PS pump) Astro Van High Pressure HB to PS Box Hose Astro Van Steel Lines from MC to Proportioning Valve (PV) Astro Van Proportioning Valve (optional) Bronco High Pressure Power Steering Hose Stainless Steel Brake Lines, 50" (or close - 2 different sizes needed) 2-4 feet of 3/8" Power Steering Hose Bronco MC Push Rod 3/8" Brass "T" Connection 5-10 hose clamps 3/8-16 or 3/8-24 thread by 1.5" coupler nut
*NOTE: I did not reuse the AV MC. I used it as a core and took it back for a remanufactured unit. The HB unit should still be in good shape unless your donor vehicle was damaged in the front end.
Dismantle, Prep & Installation:
You are going to need to have new high pressure hoses made up to adapt the Chevy parts to the Ford parts. Take the three high pressure hoses to a local hydraulic fitting shop and have them make you two new ones. You will need to match them up as follows. The PS pump end off the Bronco hose will attach to the single valve inlet on the HB unit (this is the port on the same side as the gold fluid reservoir is on). This is the supply line to the HB unit. The other end of the Bronco hose, the PS box end, will attach to the hose from the opposite side of the HB unit (the side with the brass nozzle/hose attachment). These are two different fittings that are on the HB unit, so do not get them mixed up or it will not work correctly. The last port on the HB unit (the brass nozzle/hose attachment) is a low pressure return line that will go back to the PS pump.
Remove the original MC, steel lines to PV, PV & front steel line to termination block on the frame. You must replace all steel lines from the PV to the MC, and I replaced the front steel line from the PV to the front termination block on the frame. This might also be a good time to replace your front brake line from the termination block to the axle.
Once all things are removed and out of the way, you will see that the original MC push rod is longer than the HB push rod. Both of these should be 3/8" rods. Mine had a difference of 1 1/4" in length. Here you will need to cut the HB push rod & the EB MC rod. I cut the HB rod as close to the pedal attachment as possible. The EB MC rod was cut about 1.5" down from the pedal attachment. I threaded both with 3/8-16 threads, but for a finer adjustment, I would recommend 3/8-24. Once you have the two push rods threaded and are able to connect them together, set your HB unit aside until ready for installation.
For this installation, the HB unit will have to be flipped upside down. On the AV, the fluid reservoir is on the passenger side of the unit and here we will be installing it exactly 180 degrees opposite with that reservoir on the driver side. Measure the base of the plunger housing (right up next to the mounting plate) on the HB unit and the original MC hole in the firewall. The firewall hole will need to be opened up to fit the HB unit. I used air & a grinding stone to open it up, which took me about 10 minutes of grinding & checking progress. At this time, knock the pressed in bolts out of the HB mounting plate, and with some card stock thickness paper, make a template of the mounting plate. Try and get this as accurate as possible to get the best possible fit. Once you have your template made, measure it against the fire wall. The HB mounting plate will overlap the dust boot on the steering column. Mark the overlap on your template and cut it out. Take this back to the HB unit and mark it and cut the mounting plate to give yourself clearance. You will lose one mounting bolt, but that is ok, you WILL NOT be putting the pressure on this unit you would be on a stock MC. Once you have the HB unit cut to clear the dust boot, put it up to the firewall & mark where to drill your holes for the bolts. Check this with your template as well to be sure. You will end up drilling three holes through the pedal assembly bracket, so this just gives you added strength. You will have to notice that there is a body/firewall seam running vertical that the HB unit will not fit over or beside. Here is where I had to do some thinking because I am running an EFI set up. I took and put 2 washers under the HB mounting bracket on that side only to give me clearance of my EFI plenum. You can notch the seam or trim the HB mounting plate, the option is yours, but I put washers under mine to clear the plenum. I then mounted the HB unit up, bolted it down and it gave me perfect clearance.
When you attach your hoses, give yourself enough clearance for the valve cover and the steering shaft. The hardest of the 3 hoses will go to the PS box. The brass fitting on the HB unit will be a return line to the PS pump. When running this line, you will have to use the brass "T" fitting to get both the PS box & HB return lines to converge. Use the 3/8" hose and cut a 5-6" hose coming off the return line on the back of the PS pump and put the "T" fitting in. This fitting should have the top of the "T" coming from the PS box & strait into the pump with the return from the HB unit coming in perpendicular to this. If you are running a fluid cooler/radiator, run your PS box to the cooler then out of the cooler and into the "T" fitting. Your last hose will be the supply line from the pump into the HB unit. If you have these hoses made as I did, you should have roughly 8-12" of flexible rubber or braided hose between the end fittings.
This is an "option" you can do, although I didn't do it. You can swap out the old PV for the AV unit. Again, I didn't do it, but I did use some of the steel line fittings. Temporarily attach the new MC to the HB unit. Cut the fittings off of the old steel lines and save the MC fittings. Cut one flair off the new lines and replace one of the new fittings with the fitting for the AV MC and re-flair the line. You will now need to bend the new steel lines (with the AV MC fittings) down to the PV. Be sure to put a couple of coils into the lines for possible flexing. Attach the brake lines to the PV. You now want to bench bleed the new MC. Once you have it bled, mount it to the HB unit and attach the steel brake lines.
Attach the coupling nut to the HB push rod and EB push rod. Hook the brake up just like it originally was. There is enough play in the HB unit to give you the slight angle that is required to make the connection. Bleed the lines out the same way you would normally with manual brakes. Make sure to get all the air out of those lines.
Once everything is attached and the lines are bled, top off your PS pump to make sure the fluid level is good then jack the front end of the vehicle up high enough to turn the tires. Start the engine, let it cycle a few times, turn the wheels lock to lock 2-3 times and turn the engine off. Check the PS fluid level again, top it off if need be, tighten any hoses if you see leaks and start the engine again. Turn lock to lock about 10 times and press the brake 4-5 times to make sure the air bubbles are out of the lines. Once you have this done, put it back down on the ground and take it for a test drive.
WARNING: If you have never driven an EB with power brakes, please go gently on them at first. I have a disc/disc set up and pretty much piled myself up on the steering wheel when I took it out the first time after doing this.
Costs Associated:
Astro Van HB unit, MC, PV, Hoses & steel lines - $23 (Junkyard) Rebuilt MC - $50.00 (Checker Auto Parts) Steel Lines - $9.00 (Checker) New Hydraulic Hoses - $111.00 (Hydraulic Hose Fitting Company) Hose Clamps - $3.00 (Checkers) 3/8" Hydraulic Hose - $2.00 (Checkers) Brass "T" Connection - $2.00 (Checkers) Coupler Nut - $2.00 (Ace Hardware) ------------------------------------------------------------ Total Cost - $202
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Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:15 pm |
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Entourage
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Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:45 pm Posts: 3275 Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Re: Wish me luck. aka The Hydroboost install.
That is an amazing write-up with great pics. WOW! Thanks for posting this up. I definitely need to do this instead of Power Brakes. Your install looks great.
_________________ "I truly believe that good will outweigh evil, but there won't be peace on earth until the power of love overcomes the love of power" - Jimi Hendrix
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Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:53 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:25 pm Posts: 4901 Images: 0 Location: Colorado Springs
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Re: Wish me luck. aka The Hydroboost install.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:03 pm |
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Brianut
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Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:06 am Posts: 350 Location: Parker,Co
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Re: Wish me luck. aka The Hydroboost install.
dont be discouraged. Mine took about a week and a half. I may have paid a little more for my hoses than had I done them myself but I took all of the ends I had to Pertek (parker and arapahoe road) and they reused some ends and welded more common adapters to them so if i ever damaged or broke a hose it would be easier to get fixed. cost of hoses and fittings was just over $100 if i remembner correctly. Freakin love it too. I was concerned about disk (f) drum (r) and no prop valve being too much for bad weather, but it is soo controlled that it hasnt been a problem in these recent days of snow/ice.
doing it with 4 wheel manual drums makes me think it could be a death wish in icy conditions. keep at it you wont even remember the headaches after you drive it that way for awhile.
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Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:31 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Wish me luck. aka The Hydroboost install.
Oh, I'm definitely not discouraged. Just having fun chasing down the odds and ends.
Sbolt19 (Gary) and I were talking today about the 4 wheel drum thing. I plan to keep my eyes peeled on the salvage yard for a set of 44 disc knuckles so hopefully I won't be drumming for too long.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:04 pm |
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ZOSO
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Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:58 pm Posts: 3906 Location: Henderson, Co
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Re: Wish me luck. aka The Hydroboost install.
I have the astro booster sitting in the garage. Just haven't looked into the instal of it yet. Might make a good spring project.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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