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Jesus_man
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Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:36 am Posts: 5984 Location: California
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Re: Long arm mounting
Event angle iron would work if you get it heavy enough.
Need some update pics!!
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Justin
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Re: Long arm mounting
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Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:31 am |
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Eck
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Re: Long arm mounting
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:42 pm |
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Eck
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Long arm mounting
We will also gusset the inside from the long arm bracket to the underside of the frame. I'm also installing the taller shock buckets. I do have a question for those that have installed these. How do I want them to line up? Straight up and down to the ground? Straight to the angle of the arm? Looking for a little guidance. Also, how high up on the frame should I/ can I go? There are also 2 bolt holes at the bottom- would it be a bad idea to drill 2 holes and use Grade 8 bolts to mount these as opposed to welding the bracket to the frame? Thanks!
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:45 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Long arm mounting
The towers should follow the path of the shock at ride height. Bolting would be fine, but id probably use the holes for rosette welds
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Mon Mar 14, 2016 11:57 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Long arm mounting
To figure out how high to mount them, lift your axle till something hits. Then mount the towers so the shock is fully collapsed minus half an inch. You can tack on the lower mounts and use the collapsed measurement of the shock.
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Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:00 am |
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Eck
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Re: Long arm mounting
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:04 am |
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Justin
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Re: Long arm mounting
Many shock manufacturers post measurements. If you're doing it right, you could fit short body bilstein 7100s in 14" travel. 12" is probably plenty of you're not going that high end.
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Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:07 am |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Long arm mounting
Justin has you lined out well with shocks but perhaps decide what shock you want to go with and then look at their measurements and design your upper mount from there. With a string attached to the bolt at your joint strung down the arm to where you want the shock to mount and then swing it up to see how the shock travels.
I'd weld the mount on the frame. Technically bolting will work but you can collapse the frame by over tightening unless you sleeve it. If you bolt it use a locking nut and big washers. Not nyloc but the ones with pinched threads.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Tue Mar 15, 2016 2:27 am |
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Eck
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Re: Long arm mounting
Slept on it and today was able to get the long arms both mocked with bolts in place on both sides. Makes me feel much more comfortable about where everything sits. Centered the shock tabs where I'd like to mount the shock towers, welded them in place and arms are painted with chassis paint.
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:52 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Long arm mounting
Looking forward to that flex shot!!
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:16 am |
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Digger
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Re: Long arm mounting
Looking good so far! On shocks, I will echo what others have said. Bilstein 7100s short bodys are a nice choice. F-250 shock mounts are the best bang for the buck. You'll want to mount them inline with the shocks at ride height, which is generally vertical. I like having 14" travel shocks, but 12"s get the job done. I have 14s front and 12s rear. Given your layout, it will be easier to package 12s. To get 14s on my truck, I needed the 2" body lift to get the shocks up high enough. This required welding a bracket to the frame that the F250 shock mounts bolted to. To figure out where to mount your shocks, you need to put weight on the suspension and figure out where the truck sits at static ride height. Then measure/look at various points on the front axle and figure out how much uptravel the axle has before it runs into something. You'll want to set your shocks so that there is still about 1/2" (1/4" MINIMUM) of travel left when the axle bottoms out. Ideally, you want 4-6" of uptravel from ride height. This gives you enough travel to soak up bumps without constantly bottoming out. 4" minimum, 5-6" is ideal for our rigs. Also remember to set your bump stops so that they engage the axle about 1" before it runs out of travel. The stops will compress quite a bit under a hard hit.
_________________ Cummins R2.8 diesel, ZF5, AtlasII, HP44/BB9, ARBs, coiled / linked suspension, 37" KO2s, full cage, bumpers, etc. Build Thread:
Average 23.5 mpg, Best tank: 25.1 mpg
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Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:06 pm |
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Digger
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Re: Long arm mounting
Here's a link to the Bilstein shock catalog. 12" and 14" 7100 stuff is on page 15
A 12" Short body Reservoir shock is 27.68" ext / 16.10" collapsed
A 14" Short Body Reservoir shock is 33.84" ext / 19.53 collapsed
_________________ Cummins R2.8 diesel, ZF5, AtlasII, HP44/BB9, ARBs, coiled / linked suspension, 37" KO2s, full cage, bumpers, etc. Build Thread:
Average 23.5 mpg, Best tank: 25.1 mpg
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Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:13 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Long arm mounting
Random question- what have people used to paint the frame (touch up) after welding brackets to it and such? Hoping something that doesn't make that section stick out like a sore thumb.
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:16 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Long arm mounting
A light coating of water and allow to air dry. That way it's rusty like everything else...
Otherwise a gray primer!
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:37 pm |
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Digger
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Re: Long arm mounting
Spray bomb primer, then SEMI-GLOSS or SATIN black paint. I do this because it best mimics the E-coat that the OE's use. Flat black can be greyish and gloss sticks out too much.
_________________ Cummins R2.8 diesel, ZF5, AtlasII, HP44/BB9, ARBs, coiled / linked suspension, 37" KO2s, full cage, bumpers, etc. Build Thread:
Average 23.5 mpg, Best tank: 25.1 mpg
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Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:41 pm |
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landshark
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Re: Long arm mounting
i usually wipe the area with Prep-all, then use etching primer, then satin or gloss rattle can black - usually Rustoleum .
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:01 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Long arm mounting
I've been using whatever random crap needs using up. It's mostly hammerite.
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Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:05 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Long arm mounting
Milestone achieved. Front axle is re-installed and arms mounted. Everything lined up well and I can now move on to the rear axle swap! Big thanks to Justin for lending me his welding capabilities and gratuitous crotch shot!! Inside gussets Outside bracket to frame It's got legs!!
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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