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Efi stumble and backfire - mustang efi
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landshark
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Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:16 am Posts: 3942 Location: Denver, Wash Park Area
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Efi stumble and backfire - mustang efi
I have been having an intermittent issue where the 76 will stumble then lack power and sometimes backfire through the exhaust. Happens allot when pulling away from a stop or slow rolling coast then giving throttle. Letting off and hitting the gas again sometimes "cures" it but seems to be getting worse. I check the timing last night and it was at 13 I took the timing back to 10 and doesn't seem any better.
I have been looking at posts on CB.com and my next thought was to check vacuum then check and clean the MAF And TPS.
I saw one post where it was a bad distributer but wanted to trouble shoot before I start guessing at replacement parts.
Any advice?
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Wed May 18, 2016 3:37 pm |
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Rox Crusher
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Joined: Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:36 pm Posts: 3980 Location: Roxborough Park, Colorado
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Re: Efi stumble and backfire - mustang efi
Have you checked to see if you have any codes ?
I used to have to clean my MAF every 6 months or so.
You are welcome to borrow an ECM and / or distributor if that would help.
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Wed May 18, 2016 5:01 pm |
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landshark
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Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:16 am Posts: 3942 Location: Denver, Wash Park Area
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Re: Efi stumble and backfire - mustang efi
I have steady 38 psi fuel pressure on idle and throttling it up when parked. 40psi when I shut off.
I have a steady 14hg of vacuum at idle about 17-19 with some throttle. Blipping the throttle it goes up to 20 or so.
I will see if I can put some kind of line together and make the fuel pressure gauge readable while driving.
Haven't pulled codes will do that tomorrow.
Let's see what I find with fuel pressure and codes and go from there. I have a sneaking suspicion I might have a vacuum leak somewhere. Maybe gaskets and/or plugs.
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Wed May 18, 2016 6:51 pm |
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kchaser
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Joined: Sat May 07, 2011 5:54 pm Posts: 269 Location: Wellington
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Re: Efi stumble and backfire - mustang efi
I had backfire missing and stalling issues on my boosted 93 fox. Only happen from time to time without repeatability. Went to great lengths to not just throw parts at it but codes were little help so I replaced.... Plugs cap rotor, ignition switch, key switch, bypass Msd, removed program and chip, master ecu relay,TFI and finally the winner was a new distributor. Likely was the pip sensor. What a pain.
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Thu May 19, 2016 5:18 am |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Efi stumble and backfire - mustang efi
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Thu May 19, 2016 5:28 am |
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landshark
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Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:16 am Posts: 3942 Location: Denver, Wash Park Area
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Efi stumble and backfire - mustang efi
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Thu May 19, 2016 8:29 am |
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kchaser
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Re: Efi stumble and backfire - mustang efi
I picked the distributor up at NAPA with the TFI installed for under $100 I think.
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Thu May 19, 2016 12:56 pm |
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landshark
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Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:16 am Posts: 3942 Location: Denver, Wash Park Area
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Re: Efi stumble and backfire - mustang efi
Partial good news. Rerouted some of the vacuum lines, put a dedicated line to the c4 and it shifts much much better. I have great vacuum as well so I can move on to fuel pressure under load. Hope to pick up another gauge at harbor freight tomorrow.
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Thu May 19, 2016 11:22 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:36 am Posts: 5984 Location: California
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Re: Efi stumble and backfire - mustang efi
Could be TFI for intermittent issues. BTDT.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Fri May 20, 2016 1:56 am |
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landshark
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Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:16 am Posts: 3942 Location: Denver, Wash Park Area
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Re: Efi stumble and backfire - mustang efi
Put a electronic auto meter fuel pressure gauge on the rail. Getting 32-34 psi at idle. Romping the throttle will spike it to 38 or so. Light throttle cruising it hovers around 32 but drop a bit more coasting.
Seems low to me should be 38 pretty much all the time of not higher?
My next step is to check the voltage at the pump.
After that I assume drop the tank?
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Sat May 21, 2016 7:07 pm |
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landshark
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Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:16 am Posts: 3942 Location: Denver, Wash Park Area
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Efi stumble and backfire - mustang efi
I cleaned the maf, Act and throttle body. Trimmed my throttle and kick down cable a bit as I never fine tuned it.
See if there's any difference tomorrow but Iam still dropping the tank and replacing the fuel pump with a aero motive stealth pump with a new filter, suspect I will find some crap in there.
Also pulled koeo codes but nothing came up besides the typical 80's EGR stuff.
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Mon May 23, 2016 8:22 pm |
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landshark
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Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:16 am Posts: 3942 Location: Denver, Wash Park Area
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Re: Efi stumble and backfire - mustang efi
Might jinx it but stumble is gone so far after I cleaned the MAF, ACT and throttle body. Didn't look dirty but guess it was.
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Wed May 25, 2016 5:04 pm |
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Gregg
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Re: Efi stumble and backfire - mustang efi
It made a difference when I cleaned the the MAF sensor on mine. What'd you use to clean the ACT...the same MAF sensor cleaner?
_________________ Definition of cool.
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Thu May 26, 2016 8:32 am |
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landshark
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Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:16 am Posts: 3942 Location: Denver, Wash Park Area
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Re: Efi stumble and backfire - mustang efi
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Thu May 26, 2016 9:19 am |
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ZOSO
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Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:58 pm Posts: 3906 Location: Henderson, Co
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Re: Efi stumble and backfire - mustang efi
With that being said in the mustang world I have seen guys have issues with oiled filters. The oil will collect on the maf wire and can cause a lean condition. I had a buddy back in 06ish lose an engine from it.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Thu May 26, 2016 5:20 pm |
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landshark
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Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:16 am Posts: 3942 Location: Denver, Wash Park Area
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Efi stumble and backfire - mustang efi
No oil on my filter using a dry one. So far so good no stumble in 3 days.
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Thu May 26, 2016 9:31 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Efi stumble and backfire - mustang efi
I might have to try to clean my MAF. I've been getting intermittent backfire between high 2nd and 3rd.
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Thu May 26, 2016 9:34 pm |
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EFI Guy
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Joined: Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:22 pm Posts: 442 Location: Arvada
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Re: Efi stumble and backfire - mustang efi
I missed this thread, haven't been on in a while. Is it still running good now Chris?
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:56 am |
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landshark
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Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:16 am Posts: 3942 Location: Denver, Wash Park Area
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Re: Efi stumble and backfire - mustang efi
So far so good. The MAF and ACT cleaning seemed to have solved it. Good news is I have a nice new stealth fuel pump backup I can try out
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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