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I think your rubber windshield frame seal is backwards. Bronco Hut told me the bead goes toward the rear. This will help with the gap at the top. Not sure, but that's what Dana told me.

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I think your windshield is leaning too far back.

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Is your windshield frame welded in place or bolted? Not sure when they changed to welding them in place.

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Cool, I'll be around.

Something seems to have changed. You had nice gaps around the door window before, but not now. It's not just how the door is hanging in the hole. The shape of the hole changed, if I'm seeing things right.

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Thanks for the chat last night Gunni!

I went out today and started looking at it a bit more. Tried raising the 3rd body mount (the one that will eat the nut and bushing if you aren't careful) by 1/8". That really didn't do much so I dropped it back.

Then I started measuring again. The photos are really not good as they create some illusions. Between the back of the window frame and the hardtop, everything is the same from top to bottom at 7/16". Along the top of the window frame, the gap is even all the way across until you get to the back but the reason it gets tighter is that the drip rail is smashed down a bit so it closes it up.

I also measured the door post to the striker post where the outer rocker goes. I'm short there by 1/8".

I believe my next steps are to take the door back off and then mark where the post is now. Then try to lower it slightly so that I can have some play in the hinges. Right now the door is as low as it will go with the hinges. When I do that, I will also kick the entire door post forward slightly. That should help with the gap at the windshield but we'll see if it is enough.

I also tried loosening the hard top bolts to try and move the windshield forward. Not budging right now but we will see what happens with the post.

I'll keep updating as I go along. It's hard to think of what could be wrong because the drivers side has great gaps right now but between talking to Gunni and sitting back and staring at it, I'm sure I'll get it.

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Ok, I have a theory on what's happened. Every thing I'm doing is not correcting the trouble spot which is the windshield to window frame area.

I'm hoping someone who has a hard top on, can measure from the hard top to the drip rail/channel that runs down the side of the windshield frame. Basically, between the two arrows shown here:
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My gut feeling is that even though I braced the cowl, I think it rotated slightly. Specifically, I think it might have rotated down in the front which would have pulled the bottom of the windshield frame forward. My measurement of this spot between the hardtop and windshield varies by almost a 1/2" between my sides. Hoping someone else can give me a data point to work from. I am getting 37" on the drivers side which has a good gap and 37.5" on the passenger side.

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37" dead on both sides of my 72, which has pretty darn good gaps.

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Well, Father's Day allowed me to get a pass to the garage. I had an hour or so the other night and used a ratchet strap to get the cowl pulled back so that the top to windshield frame measurement was 37" but it had sagged again so I got to re-do it today.

Got it all lined up super nice:
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Then I chatted with Gunni a bit before I burned it in, just to make sure I wasn't missing something. I was doing my usual "over think it" thing. Got the kick panel and the door post burned in.
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Was pretty pleased with the results and how the welds for the most part laid down really flat. I had turned the welder up to the settings for 16ga.

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After that, I started working on getting the bottom of my striker post straight. I don't have a porta-power so I improvised:

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I am thinking I will just cut the rear quarter out and replace it. I kept working it thinking I could save it and I probably could but the truck isn't an original survivor and the amount of time and energy I will burn trying to make it all right is way more than the cost of the re-pop quarter.

Here's hoping I can get an hour here and there over the next week to try and get the inner fender apron installed and then maybe I can get the front clip back together.

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Nice work on the panels, those spot welds look very nice! Well done


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More metal gone but I got the striker post straightened out this weekend:

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Also built a new brace for the rear tail light housing:

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Oh, and @Justin, here is the final result of the planter hooks that you helped us bend after the swap meet (totally not Bronco related but what I accomplished this weekend):

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Ok, time for the next question. In typical Bronco fashion, my passenger side tail light housing started to pull away from the upper quarter due to having too much weight on the tire carrier. My question is how do I pull this back together and weld it from the inside? I looked but didn't see the spot welds from the inside granted, it's not exactly easy to look for it. I searched over at CB.com and couldn't find anything specific to how anyone fixed this.

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Also, pay no attention the lower quarter, it's just lightly clamped in at this point to get an idea of how it looked.

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Just a guess but before you tear that rear corner off all together and try and straighten everything associated with it, maybe take a 4x4 and put it on a jack and prop it up under the Top horn of the tire carrier and go to town? But, if the metal came apart once, it will do it again...refer to the 1st part of my post :(
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I just removed my rear tire carrier this week end, once I'm back home I will take a look inside and see if I can tell how its attached. thinking it spot welded?


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Posting progress pics just for the sake of this thread (as it is my own little journal that keeps me going on this project). It was a super busy summer so now that the kids are back in school, I'm hoping I can make more time for it.

Got the passenger side quarter mocked up. Not happy with the gap at the top-rear corner. I will continue to try and figure it out. I did spray the panel with SPI Epoxy Primer. I bought a 3m Accuspary gun on Prime day and it's pretty awesome for a guy who has never shot paint or primer before besides from a rattle can. Super easy clean up as well.

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I figure that since the Bronco's game is on, I can post some updates. Been hard at work. Have to get the passenger side done so I can move the Bronco back to the other side of the garage before winter sets in so that the wife can have her parking spot back.

Got the rear quarter and the rocker committed. Pretty pleased on how they came out.

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Then re-mounted the door and got it adjusted to the point where it shuts super nice. I'll get a video of it tomorrow once the seam sealer is dry. Hopefully that will keep up after a seal goes in. I bought the ones from Delconick last summer when he first put them up on CB for the special price. They seem super nice.

Also, drained the gas tank of all the old gas in it a week or so ago. Now I can fill it up with a gallon or two of good gas so I don't gum up the carb.

Lastly, today, after talking on text with Gunni, I went ahead and put in seam sealer. Tomorrow I'll top coat it with some epoxy so I don't have to worry about it. Used the 3m Dynatron stuff. It's a 1k product but went it nicely for my needs.

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Here's hoping I can obtain my goal of having most of the body work done before November.

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Looking good!

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looking great! the rear quarter lined up nice

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Your bronco is looking excellent. I too, laid a 75 cocoa ranger on its passenger side. Only mine was in the summer of '77.

One thought for your rear taillight housing and your quarter panel. A prominent builder in the country will weld joints like that together, typically the rocker to quarter, and then grind it down enough for the seam sealer to be the finish. That would hold the taillight housing where it belongs. Little tough to ever take back apart, though.


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Very nice work on the sheet metal, Looks awesome!


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Today is a day of frustration. I've had the drivers side door shutting nicely for almost a year. Last weekend, I moved the Bronco from one side of the garage to the other, took the door off, and sprayed epoxy. This weekend, I attempted to re-hang the door. First, I swapped the top hinge from the original, worn out hinge to a brand new one (same as the lower one that I installed a year ago). When I did that, it moved the top of the door back by at least 1/4". To the point where it hits the rear and you can't close the door. Then I took the door back off, swapped the top hinge back to the old, worn out one and now I can close the door again but the door wants to drop a bit due to the hinge being worn out. So what gives?

Here are some pics with the old hinge in. With the new hinge in, everything is a 1/4" further back.

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One other thing I did was jack under the body mount that is by the striker post. It did widen the gap as it should but not enough to compensate for the movement to the rear that the new hinge created.

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That sucks.

You can try putting a shim between the hinge and the door post, on the inside bolt. That should push the door hinge forward a bit.

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