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Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle and $$$$$$ build
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Jesus_man
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
How would that compare to a D60 you might find under a superduty or something?
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:37 am |
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crawlercreations
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:47 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
Nice, so you've got the strength while saving yourself some weight. What pinion yoke size are you running?
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:44 pm |
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crawlercreations
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
Thanks for posting this up. I've thought about different hybrid axles for a while now. I have a couple questions.
First, a set of Rock Assault 9" housings are available for sale in Reno, and I thought about buying them. I have a set of 96ish Ford ball joint 60 outers, but they are still in storage in CO, so I can't check measurements. The 9" housings are 3.5" tubes, and from what I read these BJ Ford 60 tubes are just over 3". Is this correct? I'd hate to buy a 3.5" housing and find out my stuff wouldn't fit it.
Also, did you use a jig or something else to prevent the housing from warping during welding?
Thanks
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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crawlercreations
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
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Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:33 pm |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
Thanks for the info. Glad to hear the housing didn't warp. Gives me some confidence to do it myself someday, instead of having it done.
I cut up a bent 96? Ford D60 for my parts. I just wish I could be sure they were 3.5". I trust you are right, but the project wouldn't be for a while. Running the risk to save a little isn't worth it, right now.
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:38 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
I contemplated a Jana 54, and I may still do that, but I would love to get in Hi9 for the rear in a new housing!
If I were building a buggy, I think I'd go with a portal setup of some sort based on the Ford 9". But what you just built would be second in line if portals didn't make sense.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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crawlercreations
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
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Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:15 pm |
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crawlercreations
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
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Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:42 pm |
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crawlercreations
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
I am planning to install this starting on the 15th this month! It should be fairly smooth and quick.
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Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:11 pm |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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crawlercreations
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
Thanks, I knew the 60 axles wouldn't fit through the 44 knuckles. The 35 spline Ox would fit without the Jana kit, its for a 44. But I'm assuming the bearing issue is a killer. Also, if 50 gears won't hold up to the 60 axles then 44 gears certainly won't. There is one point on a 50 pinion that is the same diameter as a 44 pinion, I just can't remember the details, it's been too long since I was doing the reading. There is a 35 spline ARB D50 locker that can be used to build a Jana 654. http://www.ox-usa.com/dana-44/445-dana-44.htmlSeems to me, I should just forget the 654 or an Ox locked 44 with 60 outers/axles. And save the money and effort for a 60-9. I didn't realize the 9 was better clearance than a 44, so that would be better even if I stick with 37s. What are your thoughts on the 'other' HP 9", that runs reverse cut 8.8 gears (I forget the name right now)? Would it be enough? I know it's cheaper than a True Hi-9. edit: it looks like I was thinking of the Currie HP 9", but they no longer make the case. Thanks
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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crawlercreations
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Jesus_man
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
Ahh, I had forgotten about the Hi-9 in a rear application does run on the weaker side of the gears. Hmm, not a option then at this point. Being that the housing is symmetrical, surely someone could mirror a design to the other side to correct this? Or am I not thinking correctly?
Thinking out loud, a portal would make the most sense in the rear as that is where I get hung up 99% of the time being a non-steer axle. But I wonder how close you could get the gearing to a non-portal axle... I do think suspension-wise, it wouldn't be too hard in the rear, especially if you 4-linked or at least ran longer leaf springs.
With 35's and Chromo's I have not had any D44 issues in a while (aside from the chronic oil leak). But I too want to upsize the tires to at least 37's. If I start breaking things at that point, I will have to see what makes the most sense. Perhaps trussing this HP44, a full locker and running RCV's would be good enough.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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crawlercreations
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
Picked up a "little" something to help install the axle with the proper clearances for where I'll end up.
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Strike2
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
I would have expected nothing less so will you have a set of street tires or is it trailer only?
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crawlercreations
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
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Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:49 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
I've never seen a new Trep in person, but wow, that is some tread!!! So now to find 3 more...
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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crawlercreations
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
This happened today. I really liked the idea of stickies but I just know I'll be driving my Bronco on the street still and I can't handle the idea of 1000 miles out of a set of (expensive) tires. These should give me a nice balance of street and crawling. Plus side is they're actually a bit bigger than the trepador! Uninflated they're a solid 1.5 inch bigger. Inflated I'd expect 2 inches or so. So, not sticky, but bigger and dual purpose. Should be good!
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Jesus_man
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
That'll make a huge difference! So the trep is a spare now?
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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crawlercreations
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
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crawlercreations
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
This happened yesterday...
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On to install now!
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Kinder
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
Blank slates are the best.
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:37 am |
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crawlercreations
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
those rocks don’t stand a chance
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crawlercreations
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
Things are progressing nicely! Still a fair amount of work to do but cycling the suspension feels like a big step! My calculator numbers came out pretty nice, let's just hope it translates well to the real world!
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Jesus_man
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Re: Crawlercreations 60-9 front axle build thread
How long are your links and can you send me a picture of the frame mount? Looks very tucked up in there!!
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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