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EBsaver
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:01 am Posts: 69
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New to the Club/Seeking ...um ...rear-end help
Community,
As a kid I had a cherry Baby Blue '73 Bronco that I let go on a whim and I regretted it ever since; for 20+ years. I recently saved a '73 EB from the graveyard! I was told the engine and tranny were shot. After some tinkering it now runs and drives. My kids love it but it smokes so bad and with holes in the floor pans we don't drive it as much as we'd like, so I'm aiming to restore it for them/ and in honor of my best friend Joseph Patrick McDonald, who died a few years back. Joe liked my old cherry '73 probably more than I did.
I am a passionate mechanic by hobby and good with the things I've learned & taught myself... in what little free time I have; but also maintain a full-time job, am single and raising a 2 & 4 year-old by myself; so I really don't have the time to do all the tedious shimming/backlash checking/trial and error chunk stuff. Since one of my outer-axle wheel bearings is definately shot...can I assume all the pinion/carrier bearings are shot as well? I had what looked like 'Mississippi Mud' coming out of the pumpkin when I loosened the chunk.
I also had play from one wheel to the other.. Before draining any fluid or removing old drums, I lifted the rear of the vehicle and when I spun one wheel, I had about 1/2" play before the other wheel began spinning in the same direction as the one I was spinning. Is this play normal?(my 5.9L ZJ only has about 1/8" to 1/4"of play)... or is the diff shot??
I know I can rebuild this chunk with all new bearings if needed and inspect for cracking and wear in all the gears etc... but having never done it before I fear it will take me forever-and-a-day to get it back together and running again. Is there anyone well versed on drivelines has done this successfully before, and anywhere near Denver/Englewood, COLORADO ...who can walk me through the process in person//show me the path// for beer LOL ..or recommend an affordable shop? Now that I've dropped the whole axle housing, I don't want to put it back together until I know it's right. For the benefit of someone who may help, I have not dismantled the pinion or any part of the chunk...it is out and waiting.
Once this issue is resolved then can move on to other things like the tranny who won't shift to 3rd until it's warm. ...And then maybe an Explorer power plant swap.
Thanks in advance for any help/advice,
Henry
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ScottBarnes
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Joined: Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:34 am Posts: 415 Location: Breckenridge and Franktown, CO
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Re: New to the Club/Seeking ...um ...rear-end help
_________________ Go Hard or Go Home
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EBsaver
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:01 am Posts: 69
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Re: New to the Club/Seeking ...um ...rear-end help
welcome! Unfortunately, that’s not something I can help with but there are some serious wrench studs in this club, and they are generous with info (and time, when they have it). Make your way to breakfast in a couple weeks, and you’ll meet a few. See ya - Scott
Still learning the site... How do I delete a mistakenly quoted post??
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EBsaver
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:01 am Posts: 69
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Re: New to the Club/Seeking ...um ...rear-end help
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ZOSO
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Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:58 pm Posts: 3906 Location: Henderson, Co
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Re: New to the Club/Seeking ...um ...rear-end help
Many of us know them well. I will be building a new 9in in the coming weeks. The 9in is the simplest diff to setup. There is no pressing bearings on and off to select different shims. I will advise the #1 thing to do is get a shim crush spacer. They are somewhat expensive ($45) for what you get but it's cheap security if you wheel it or run it hard.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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EBsaver
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Digger
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Not really any negatives, just takes a little longer to setup.
I highly recommend one. I had to drive the last 100 miles of a vacation towing a camper in front wheel drive because the crush sleeve got squashed and the pinion lost all preload.
_________________ Cummins R2.8 diesel, ZF5, AtlasII, HP44/BB9, ARBs, coiled / linked suspension, 37" KO2s, full cage, bumpers, etc. Build Thread:
Average 23.5 mpg, Best tank: 25.1 mpg
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EBsaver
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ZOSO
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Re: New to the Club/Seeking ...um ...rear-end help
Yup. Place high amounts of torque on the crush sleeve and there is a chance you can collapse it.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:33 am |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: New to the Club/Seeking ...um ...rear-end help
A cheaper crush sleeve eliminator. I found this when looking at rebuilding my Sterling 10.5 in my F250. They were recommended on the diesel forums. I didn't end up using them so I can't vouch. http://www.ratechmfg.com/pop_up_order%204105.htm
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Jesus_man
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Re: New to the Club/Seeking ...um ...rear-end help
Welcome to the club! As to maintenance on the axle, sometimes it's nice to have a fresh start, as in pull it apart and replace all wear items. Then you know what's been done and what hasn't. I don't recall if the 9" came factory with a limited slip or not, but that could be why you have more roll in one tire before the other catches. If it were open, the other tire would spin the opposite direction.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Viperwolf1
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Re: New to the Club/Seeking ...um ...rear-end help
Limited slips were always an option even for early '66. The limited slip adds an extra splined member which increases the slop factor.
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EBsaver
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Re: New to the Club/Seeking ...um ...rear-end help
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Eck
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Re: New to the Club/Seeking ...um ...rear-end help
Welcome aboard. If you’re available on Saturday- the club breakfast will be as good a place as any to have multiple knowledgeable people to take a look at it if you are able to bring it.
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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cravenbronco
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Re: New to the Club/Seeking ...um ...rear-end help
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Viperwolf1
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Re: New to the Club/Seeking ...um ...rear-end help
I can look at it anytime just as soon as you post some pictures of it.
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EBsaver
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EBsaver
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EBsaver
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cravenbronco
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Jesus_man
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Wow, you found that in a junkyard? That's pretty nice indeed!
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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EBsaver
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EBsaver
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Re: New to the Club/Seeking ...um ...rear-end help
Anyone have a damn bearing-puller??? Dismantled the chunk and a good thing,there was serious galling on one carrier bearing cone/race! Spinning my wheels last night trying to remove 3 bearing races...1pinion, 2 carrier. Looks like I may be able to drive the carrier races out after I dismantle the diff itself and remove the posi clutches; but I definitely cannot get the pinion bearing race without a 2 arm static puller.
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Kinder
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I have what you need, you’re more than welcome to bring your pieces by and use it, I’m in Parker.
_________________ Best to Date MPG: 26.6
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EBsaver
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Gunnibronco
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_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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EBsaver
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EBsaver
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2F3282AC-F4F9-4E56-9BA3-D9D2A0F71189.jpeg8C7D358B-AC8B-40A3-AF5B-81C4F070C226.jpegAnyone have POSI parts for the 9”? A differential clutch spring is broken in half, and the spring cage/ retainer/whatchamacallit is cracked. II’m ready to get this thing back together!!
Please HELP if you can!! Or at least tell me what the parts are called/nomenclature
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Viperwolf1
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There is a guy that advertises 9" parts on Craigslist. Somewhere North of denver.
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phyler
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_________________ 1975 Ranger Edition that I've had longer than I've been without it.
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