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Rox Crusher
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
Ok, I've heard of people "smoking" their motor to find vacuum leak.
How is this done ?
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:18 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
It's not a vac leak. That would effect it more at idle when the vacuum is high.
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Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:24 pm |
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casadejohnson
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
This is probably off base but could you have an O2 sensor issue? I had an O2 sensor wire that got up against the header on mine and it was intermittently shorting out and it caused some similar issues to what you describe. Yours sounds like it is a more extreme version of what mine was but it would certainly be worth looking at. On the fuel tank, would it be possible to temporarily, run an external pump to see if that changes anything? I don't know if the in-tank pump would allow fuel to be pulled through it by an external pump but if does, that might allow you to trouble shoot the tank / pump without dropping the tank again. With the number of fuel delivery issues that you have had, I would be tempted to set up a temporary fuel cell and an external HP pump. It would be a pain in the ass but at least you would know if the problem is in the tank again or if you should be looking elsewhere.
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Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:32 am |
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EFI Guy
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
Rob's idea of pulling a data log is a great idea. While it may not tell you exactly what the problem is, it will certainly help narrow it down. It will show if you are going lean on 1 bank or both. It's also super handy for finding electrical gremlins since the value of the culprit will usually bottom out or spike during intermittent conditions.
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Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:41 pm |
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casadejohnson
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
What's the word Jeff? Any progress on the diagnosis?
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Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:35 pm |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:39 am |
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EFI Guy
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Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:24 am |
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casadejohnson
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:06 am |
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ZOSO
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
I hope you figure it out and it's something simple. When are you guys gonna work on it?
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:56 am |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:23 am |
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landshark
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
Maybe its not the engine or fuel delivery.. maybe its the driver?
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:06 am |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
Well it seems te be running very well but not sure what cured it.
Things we did today:
- finished installing new spark plugs. Removed plugs all had proper gap and looked good. - cleaned air filter - cleaned MAF sensor - cleaned IAB - cleaned throttle body - adjusted throw on throttle so it would open up further - took for a 15 mile test drive
Came back and ran codes, got a couple weird one during KOER - 18 which = "SPOUT circuit open or spark angle word failure" - 96 which = "Fuel pump secondary circuit failure. The EEC did not sense battery voltage on the Fuel Pump Monitor circuit."
We should have run and cleared codes before test drive but didn't think of that at the time.
So, I will put some miles on it in next few days and see if it keeps running well and if codes return.
Any insight on the codes anybody ?
Big thanks to Phil for coming out to help and also to G ary for being on standby.
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:48 pm |
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Colorado75bronc
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Rox Crusher's 77 sport
I'd think the spout code could contribute to a problem, if it is intermittently having connection issues it could cause timing problems, I'm not certain on that as I don't know what codes are considered false codes in early ford efi, also a voltage issue to the fuel pump could cause issues to, you might do a volt drop test on the signal wire to the relay after it's been driven for a few, check from the ecu to the relay, and on the ground circuit of the relay check from its pin to the neg. post, if there is a resistance issue in the power or ground circuit to the pump relay, it will show up in this test Also, if the spout code is a valid code, check the connection for the spout for corrosion or loose pins, with ignition off check resistance across the connector on each wire, if that's good, connect a timing light, rev it up to see what total advance is, then while revving it up wiggle and move the harness to the spout, and flex on the connector, if the timing retards back down to base or a code sets while doing this you may have a poor connection or a chaffed wire
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_________________ 75' bronco, 302, carb'd for now, i'm gathering parts for efi, 3g alternator, saginaw pump, 4x4x2 box, fw hp44, fw 9", N.P. 435 w/ gearbanger shifter, twin stick'd dana 20, 2" BL, 5.5" wildhorses lift, and 35" km2's
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Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:28 pm |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
Finally got around to installing my Meyers 7' snowplow.
Looks tough, but controls aren't working yet. Gotta do some troubleshooting in the morning.
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_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Moab Mike
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
Nice work! You can make a little extra money in your neighborhood now.
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Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:17 pm |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Kinder
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
Looks great
_________________ Best to Date MPG: 26.6
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Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:39 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
Needs an LED lightbar now! Yeah, does look great. I loved plowing with my dad's 60's power wagon!
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:19 am |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:05 am |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
Sounds like a win/win!
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:18 am |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
Phil and I re-arranged a couple electron hiways and got it functioning. Turns out the Meyer solenoid is uni-directional.
Too bad the plow is so flippin' heavy that I have to redo / fortify the plow hanger mount so it doesn't snap off.
The front springs are so compressed that it is causing clearance issues for tires / fenders and the rear tires are wanting to leave the ground.
So, looks like new springs up front and some extra weight behind the rear seat will be the next order of business.
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:36 am |
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Kinder
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
I was likely going to pickup some air springs, I've only found them new at the Graveyard, http://broncograveyard.com/bronco/i-129 ... 0-4x4.html. I'm guessing I'll have to add some small blocks to make up for the suspension lift. Want to split shipping?
_________________ Best to Date MPG: 26.6
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Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:39 am |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:03 pm |
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Kinder
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
Must have missed the free shipping thing. How about you order a pair and sort out all the install issues, then I'll order mine.
_________________ Best to Date MPG: 26.6
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Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:20 pm |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: TRE based TRO on a 76 / 77
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
Yesterday I mounted the plow up again to see what else I need to do to strengthen up the mount.
Thought I would share a couple photos.
Looks like I need to lower the cutting edge back down by a smidge.
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_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Sun Jan 19, 2014 2:32 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
How much lift are you running? I wonder if a set of old f-150 coils would help with the extra snow plow weight? I remember when I was building my '74, the F-150 coils were cheap and gave a couple inches of lift. You sacrifice ride, but you could swap back for the summer??
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:18 am |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Rox Crusher's 77 sport
Did I mention I'm getting ARB's front and rear ?
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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